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N8NYE
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Thoughts on live view?

I was wondering if Single Cell would be interested in adding a live view feature to caustic.  Personally, I'd rather use a cheap tablet I could put on a pedal board than a laptop.  Here is what I was thinking:

Two screens:  A pattern screen and a parameter screen.

The pattern screen has all of the patterns in your project and can be triggered on or off to loop or to trigger once. Having the patterns on one screen prevents you from having to flip back to synths to change patterns and would let you improvise live.  

The parameter screen has a bunch of knobs that link to knobs associated with the synth modules.  For example, if you double click on a knob in a synth it would display a dialog asking if you would like to add the parameter to the parameter screen.  If yes is selected, a knob is created on the parameter screen that controls the knob on synth.  So in a live setting, you can control multiple synths by manipulating knobs on one screen instead of flipping back and forth between synths.  You would also be able to have much more lively parameter manipulation because of it.  

I would seriously pay extra to have this feature in in Caustic.  I really want to use this live.   

 

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I feel the same way about

I feel the same way about this, to the point that I would happily program this in myself if possible. :)

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a live view for Caustic is a

a live view for Caustic is a great idea

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Would you be interested in

Would you be interested in this even if the functionality was in another app that loaded your Caustic content?

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Mike, Rej, N8NYE, Gordo,

Mike, Rej, N8NYE, Gordo,
If the "functionality was in another app" that would be a significantly less flexible and interesting.
If the "functionality" was just playing back static samples exported from Caustic, that would be A LOT less interesting.
I think the really exciting stuff, is to add new elements, bring them into your compositions, on the fly, live.
I have been looking back at email correspondence from with you from 2 years ago.
I do believe that the majority of the functionality, is already up and working.
It is more a question of an additional user interface screen, maybe 2, for the wonderful stuff that caustic already does.
It is a crying shame that there isn't any way to use Caustic live, or even just have the function to jam live with it on a mountain somewhere.
I have put some serious thought into what would be ideal for me, and I think really cool for others too.

LIVE PATTERNS SCREEN
I think at a basic level, to control patterns, it would need a screen with 14 rows of 8 patterns for each channel, with ABCD selector buttons for each channel on the right.
If there is space for 4 buttons, then A, B, C, D.
If you are currently on A1-8, pressing A again takes you to A9-16.
If there is space for 2 buttons, just a forward/back combo.
If there is space for 1 button, just next through A, A, B, B, C, C, D, D.
At the top of the screen is a row of 8 scene buttons, with a similar selector on the right.

Button function.
Single press any PATTERN button = Pattern changes at the end of the current pattern.
Double press any PATTERN button = Pattern changes at the end of the current bar.
Triple press any PATTERN button = Pattern changes now to current position within bar/pattern.

Single press any SCENE button = The patterns for all channels change at the end of the longest currently playing pattern.
Double press any SCENE button = The patterns for all channels change end of the current bar.
Triple press any SCENE button = The patterns for all channels change now to current position within bar/pattern.
LONG PRESS any SCENE button = That scene is set to all the currently playing patterns. Maybe it could open a dialog allowing you to rename the scene. Maybe not!

TWEAK SCREEN
This would be a lovely addition to the above screen.
The same SCENE buttons at the top for selecting the patterns.
But below, a whole load of assignable rotary knobs for tweaking!
It would be nice if there were a few banks of these. (A, B, C, D?)
Also nice if they save with the song.
For new songs, a couple of these could be default set to volume, cutoff, reverb send, etc, for each channel with others given random assigns, based on the module.
This would gently alert new users to the possibilities within.
Knobs could possibly be pre assigned to a channel, or possibly user defined.
It would be helpful to have a short label on the knobs, maybe 4 to 8 characters.
Again, long pressing on a knob brings you to a function selector screen.

I think N8NYE has some good ideas, but having pattern scene selection and parameter tweaking on the same screen would be more ideal.
There are other specific aspects of the interface I have thought through.
As always, I know it is easy for me to write this down, and a whole load of programming for the people at single cell.
I do think both these screens would be a supremely cool addition to your lovely app.
I do also know, that sadly, development on Caustic seems to have stopped?
Maybe Caustic 4 is in progress, I don't know.
But Mike, Rej, N8NYE, any thoughts on this?
I know there are alternatives, G Stomper, UFX, but both of these are limited in other ways, and don't have your great interface.
Thank you again for a great app.

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D'oh, forgot.

D'oh, forgot.
Each channel's pattern row would also need an off/stop button, probabbly on the left, on the LIVE/PATTERN screen. But RSVP people.
And as a separate issue, could the mute buttons on the mixer function as a midi mute, instead of an audio mute?
Or at least have this as an option in the settings. Talking of which, a few buttons on the tweak screen might be nice. Looking around the sound modules, there aren't many buttons, but mutes could be useful.

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mike
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Great you had time to write

Great you had time to write that essay but it is NEVER going to happen in Caustic, never, Rej's own words. Nothing live will ever exist in Caustic....

"If the "functionality was in another app" that would be a significantly less flexible and interesting."

Hmm, do you have an imagination? Or is this your final answer.

folkdisco
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I can imagine it being many

I can imagine it being many interesting things, but I no, I can't imagine it being as flexible or wonderful as that functionality in Caustic itself. Unless the next app had melody and beat creation, direct pattern or timeline control, and ability to tweak the sounds at generation, of course. If I haven't made this clear, I do think your app Caustic is remains great at what it does. It really is such a shame, because it is a completely brilliant app in every other way. However it remains completely useless in a live setting, by design, other than as a synth module or drum machine. I, and others, will have to look elsewhere. Probably G Stomper, unless something else comes up. Also, I have an 8" Windows tablet that runs Ableton and a midi controller, but lordy, you gotta squint at the thing! :-)

mike
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Cool, hope you find what you

Cool, hope you find what you need.
 

folkdisco
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I am still puzzled. It

I am still puzzled. It strikes me that Caustic is a 50% wonderful product. It is 95% towards being a 100% wonderful product. But you have categorically ruled out that last 5%. Go figure. I try to be respectful to developers, especially if they have made wonderful gems. Obviously, Caustic is your baby. It is a very nice baby, and there are other products available on the market which perform these functions. But I am still puzzled.