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Caustic Dubstep School. :-)

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Dubstep is popular these days, and dubstepmania shake a lot of guys around the world. Including caustic community, including myself. Dubstep as genre is very very hard to make. On android phone? Even harder. But if we all unite, we can make something big. We can build base for next months/years. As i said yesterday, some ideas came on my mind and i'm ready to learn and share my views about dubstep on caustic. But we must start from somewhere and someone should start first. 10 minutes ago, i made this growl prototype. It's bad and simple, but this is good for start. When we all master our skills, these dubstep presets will be perfect. I believe we can make hq professional sounds, it would be hard as hell but we can make it. Look at me for example. Few months ago, i didnt even know how to play around with modular synth. It was so complex to even watch tutorial on youtube. :-). And today i have wish to advance. :-) To go beyond modularsynth limits. So i prepare myself with good waveforms, ideas and time.

Lil' improvisation and thats it. Basic growl.

PS....i cant find my earphones, so i have no idea how it sounds as stereo. :-). But this is just prototype for others. To see how we can make semi complex sounds. Waveforms i used in subsynth are from massive. About details, ask me later. :-). All help is more then welcome.

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 Something I made awhile go

 Something I made awhile go which as a bunch of modulator sounds you can use I guess for dubstep.

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Music is a craftmanship, a art that requires skill.

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I made these a while ago and

I made these a while ago and they're pretty sick basses, I don't make dubstep but I know how to synthesise almost anything, I just rarely use that skill :/

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I make orchestral uplifting trance. See for yourself on my SoundCloud, you may like it :) https://soundcloud.com/user696762693 Thanks!

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Just a short dubstep. also

Just a short dubstep. also this is a short "cut" of the freakazoid song i used for Caustic Competition V

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Jordan Oliver

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I'll help make the dubstep

I'll help make the dubstep growl prototype of yours be something else, but first I must examine it.

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Wohooo, we are growing. :-)

Wohooo, we are growing. :-). I wrote this thread before bed, when i woke up (half hours ago) i found this. :-). Nice.

Check out my new track.

https://youtu.be/PflagFexu5g

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These are good presets guys,

These are good presets guys, Menadax, you are sick man. (Nothing bad). This is dope. :-) Great.

But i must say i think about something else, not just sharing presets.

I was thinking about how to learn make them raw and HQ.

You know, for example, someone came with idea. "I wanna make sound Skrillex use in this song". (Not me, i hate Skrillex) :-). Later he explains how he do it, and then rest of us came up with our visions. To upgrade his sound, or present our own way. And im not talking about remake song. Just about dubstep synths, bass, growls etc. About sound design. And now i'm gonna talk about my growl from the top.
It's not great but we can use technique as base. (I'm gonna use it, don't know about you guys)

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First, this sound have 2 osc.

First, this sound have 2 osc. My idea was to use "non basic" waveforms for this so i add 2 subsynths (one subsynth for each osc)
You may ask why? When subsynth already has 2 osc. :-) Yep, but osc 1 cant be "octaved down or up" on subsynth. So this is how it goes.
I set subsynth mixer all the way down to osc2 (to shut down osc1 sound) and choose custom waveform. In this case i have no idea which one. Sorry. :-) Set osc2 2 octaves down. And this process repeat with second subsynth (just choose different waveform) Thats it for first step. Now i added modular synth and put these subsynths into machine input. :-) There i add filter to both machines and 2 LFO's for filter. (One for cutoff, second for res). :-). And yep. Distortion on effects for modular synth. A lot of thing can be improved but this is just for now.

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I have a lot of growls ,but

I have a lot of growls ,but it's sampled from Spag Heddy, MUST DIE! , and EH!DE xD

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You mean as wav sample?

You mean as wav sample? Loaded in PCMSynth?

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Yes :)

Yes :)

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One of my modular experiments

One of my modular experiments.

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Another rendition of the

Another rendition of the previous experiment, with slight detuning and sidechained compression. Both files are for Caustic 3.2 beta 5, by the way.

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Here are two more wobbly

Here are two more wobbly Subsynth presets I made earlier, the second one used as a lead, just to piece together something resembling a short tune. For Caustic 3.2 beta 5.

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ok heres a real growler bass.

ok heres a real growler bass. a lot of these just sound scratchy but this is mine that i had to make back in the summer. Actually sounds like a  growler too. Here ya go

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Bookmarking this. Thanks!  

Bookmarking this.
Thanks!

 

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Sorry, I had to go to sleep.

Sorry, I had to go to sleep. I was getting tired. Here I am though.

What I had done was add effect harmonics and applied FM modulation. I've been watching a few sound design tutorials so it must be because of that. What I practiced so far.

 

More Massive waves please, these sound raw. :P

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Just throwing in a Q before I

Just throwing in a Q before I call it a night:
Are the song files above for C 3.2 Beta?
Thanks for sharing this, see you tomorrow, good night! yes

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Wow guys, thread is growing.

Wow guys, thread is growing. Nice. :-). We will learn something. BTW, sorry if you get me wrong now but can i ask you to write some words beside adding caustic files. I wanna know more about technique. This way im gonna just save preset and thats it. No learning at all.
And please dont get me wrong. :-) I appreciate your enthusiasm about this. I want just share and share presets too, but i wanna learn something and then create on my own.

PS....I started new experiment. 3 osc vocal (yay, yoy, yey etc). growl.

@Phorison, search forum bro. I already added my massive waveforms collection. Over 80 waveforms.

And let me eat, then i'm gonna check this caustic files you shared.

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https://youtu.be/PflagFexu5g

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Sure bro, I love talking

Sure bro, I love talking about synthesis. Maybe I'll design a bass later :P

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Ok bro. :-). Show us some

Ok bro. :-). Show us some magic. Lol.

BTW, these are things i have no idea how to implement into modular synth.

1. How to add p. width into modular synth. (I think its imposible) I know bassline synth have this option, but in bassline we can change octaves.

2. Why only square wave can be really modified with p. width? All other waveforms are useless for p. width effect.

3. Formant/Spectrum/Bend -+ ????? WTF is that and how waveform change with these things turned on. And yep, is that possible to emulate on caustic? I dont know even what are these things, maybe we can fix that too.

Im waiting for answer from some skilled master.

Jason, Mike, Steph , Rej, Danny etc. :-).

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Pulse Width? You mean you can

Pulse Width? You mean you can't get it to do anything?

Square waves only? But saws are audible too.

Formant/Spectrum/Bend? You can add those and oscillators already have single feedback pitchbend at the back panel in modular, but not multi feedback transposition. Spectrum? I don't really know what that is actually because that term isn't in the caustic app.

 

Oh and wow 80+ waveforms. I'll get back to Caustic dubstep school soon with the results. cheeky

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@MrShots

@MrShots

OMG! Uplifting Complextro. Now I know that I could use the fm pair for wubs and gritty fm.

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The square is a waveform that

The square is a waveform that is square right? You need to think about what pulse mod actually means. It modulates the width of the square.... Hmmm midway through this explanation I guess it would be possible to use width controls on other waveforms, but the results may not sound very good.

Nowhere else does any kind of pulse mod on anything but a square though, there must be a reason.

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Thanks phorsion :P I was

Thanks phorsion :P I was thinking of someday trying a dubstep song but I don't know anything about how, my understanding is I create maybe 2 basses and make a sub layer for them, then add some chords and some melodic elements for the intro etc. But since I've never made a dubstep song before I'm confused haha

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OH yeah everyone! I've been

OH yeah everyone! I've been subscribed to a channel called seamlessr for ages now, he makes dubstep and makes so many bass tutorials, and they're creative ones too. He also offers production advice and he's been useful to me even though I make trance, so probably even more useful to you guys, his videos on basic terminology also contain heaps of knowledge...

Just thought I'd put that out there.

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He uses fl but a lot of what

He uses fl but a lot of what he says can be used as a concept for using in one of caustic's synths.

I make orchestral uplifting trance. See for yourself on my SoundCloud, you may like it :) https://soundcloud.com/user696762693 Thanks!

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@Phorison, my bad. I

@Phorison, my bad. I thought about WT Position knob in massive. Not about P. Width. When you turn knob all the way up or all the way down, wave changes (sound too). Spectrum as i see let regular waveform sounds.....like it used to sound. Formant make sound high pitched. And bend + , bend - i have no idea what is that.

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@mrshots i love that channel!

@mrshots i love that channel!

Check out mah soundcloud: http://www.soundcloud.com/josh-oelal

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@Josh L yeah I thought at

@Josh L yeah I thought at least some of you guys would have already seen this guy :D

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@ mrshots i spend hours

@ mrshots i spend hours bingewatching his vids XD

Check out mah soundcloud: http://www.soundcloud.com/josh-oelal

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Same haha, well I used to,now

Same haha, well I used to,now I just watch every one of his newest videos :) I've watched all his production advice, basic terminology and only a few of his how to basses, as I'm not a dubstepper...

I make orchestral uplifting trance. See for yourself on my SoundCloud, you may like it :) https://soundcloud.com/user696762693 Thanks!

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@Jankovic You're right about

@Jankovic You're right about the pulse width. I just tested it out on the bassline synth and the square only works for pulse width! Phenomenal... We could wonder why only square. It may have something to do with phase. If the phase is flat and hard then it will pulse. Maybe...?

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Huh?   Does not the Modular

Huh?   Does not the Modular have a PW ToneGenerator?

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@Jason, i was wrong. I

@Jason, i was wrong. I thought about WT Position change of waveform.

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this is a sweet topic, I will

this is a sweet topic, I will post some tester synths soon :)

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@MrShots I don't really watch

@MrShots I don't really watch his videos that often but when I need it that my first place to look :D and he makes nice music as well!

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.Yo, mrshots, that reece in

.Yo, mrshots, that reece in that file you posted is sweet!, i love making those types of sounds for dnb but have not made any in caustic, usually reason.. love that sound, and love that file you posted.. sick work 

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Ok I just remembered.

Ok I just remembered.

I'll grab those Massive wavetable waves and do my thing. Uhh, will be back within the hour, maybe longer. K...

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Hello guys, are you good? :-)

Hello guys, are you good? :-). I didn't mess around music for a while, and here i am again. Just to inform you i'm gonna try to replicate this synth sound. https://youtu.be/GHnF6Xqk2Y0

I love how Spag Heddy combine his synths with simple melodies. All advices are welcome. How would you try to remade this synth?

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I have this sample but I dont

I have this sample but I dont want to cheat ,because it's for PCMsynth :/

Jankovic , a Dubstep track with "Spag Heddy's style" will be great :)

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Where did you guys find all

Where did you guys find all these PCMSynths? :-) I cant find any for free. Theoreticly i can find root key for some free synth wav sample and resample for every single note. :-). But thats waist of time, and only god knows how this will turn out. So i guess i will torture myself with tutorials. :-)

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Search something like "FL

Search something like "FL studio dubstep tutorial" or "free dubstep samples .WAV" un YouTube !

I downloaded a lot of samples packs from YouTube. (You can find Jungle terror ,Bass House, Progressive House,etc... ) :)

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I've gotten to dislike Spag

I've gotten to dislike Spag Heddy's style - both his old and his new style - over the last months. It's just too repetitive for such a simple structured style. Dubstep is one of the genres where you should avoid repetitiveness the most since it's a lot about the sounds itself. that's the reason I hate terror squad as well (well spag heddy's new style is terror squad too). there exist some great terror squad songs but that's only because they have more than just that same structure and those same sounds like all the other terror squad songs. the dubstep scene has gotten prosaic.

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hi since you all talking

hi since you all talking about dubstep. I want to share this basic melodic dubstep, made from presets you all shared... I made this in just 5 mins. I love dubstep, and I want to learn more about it.
LONG LIVE EDM, LONG LIVE CAUSTIC WARRIORS. :)

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Check out the bass in this

Check out the bass in this file. Depending on what kind of effects you use you can go from wobble to neuro or square bass just by changing a few things. My Mr Wobbles preset is my go to now for a lot of my bass sounds. In the file I have a bit crusher effect to give it a growly formant sound. Change that to a comb filter and it's more of a neurobass, or change the wave knob in the modular to square wave and you get a squarebass. The other modular is taking signal from the mrwobbles modular and widening the high end.

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I will check out these files

I will check out these files in minute, but first i have question. Is there any good (great) online pitch shifter or on android. I got some one shot samples from my friend and i wanna resample 12 semitones up and down. You know, to cover 3 octaves. But caustic pitch shifter is weird somehow. Especialy on lower pitches. So i'm looking for pitch shifter. Found some good one online, but i'm looking for better if it is possible.

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Mekanism, nice presets. But

Mekanism, nice presets. But can you try make some growls from non basic waveforms. I just can't connect all the things in modular synth. Is there any way to make 3 oscilators (subsynth) and put them in modular synth via machine input, then add envelope, formant filters, effects etc. I missed something for sure. There are some unwanted noises, it seems like its not possible but who knows, maybe you know how

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This is some test file i just

This is some test file i just made. Virtual Riot style chord stack made in modular synth with 3 subsynth oscilators. (3 square-saw waveforms) connected into modular synth via machine input. 2 of 3 oscilators were slightly distorted in both sides. And i add reverb effect (default values) PCMSynth version of preset is sampled from modular synth. Every third semitone i guess. I also add default reverb effect. Which sound is better? Modular or PCMSynth? In my opinion, modular is better just a lil bit.

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This school is near enough to

This school is near enough to be closed. :-) A lot of passive dubstepers.

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I cant tell the difference

I cant tell the difference honestly between the modular and the pcmsynth preset in your file, and that is what you want.  That is a really nice synth sound you have going there.  I tried recreating it in the modular using 3 oscillators but it didnt sound nearly as nice, probably due to lack of unison in the modular.

As for making a growl bass in the subsynth it might be possible but I havent really tried.  You are probably on to something with using custom waveforms though.  The Subsynth is very powerful so It can probably make some cool basses.  The problem I have ran into combining 2 or more synths for bass sounds is things get noisy really fast.  Typically there are layers of distortion in complex basses like a growl bass, along with formant filters, so doubling of signals just adds more noise.  I'm not an expert here but I'm guessing that doubling of the signal from 2 or more machines also overloads the A-D converter and aliasing occurs at a more audible level, so when you apply distortion it amplifies this unwanted noise. 

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