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New Track - Ascension (Caustic Mastered)

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This is now the 2nd track I've ran through the Mastering app, hopefully better off for it. I've decided to call it Ascension due in part to the way the walking bassline reminds me of climbing up steps, but also as a nod towards Towerfall Ascension on PS4, which I spend the best part of a weekend playing recently with a couple of mates (brilliant local multiplayer)

It consists of 3 Beatboxes, 6 Modsynths, a KSSynth, a SubSynth, an Organ and 2 PCMSynths - one for vocals and one purely for audio samples (reverse reverbs, vocal effects, noise sweeps etc.)

Early on in the track's creation I produced quite an elaborate noise sweep which used up my last 3 instrument slots (Padsynth, Noise Generator and ModSynth Saw with various effects & automations per instrument). So I bounced down the noise sweeps to audio, freeing up the 3 slots for further instruments.

The vocals are based around a sample from the 'Harmony by Aiva' vocal sample pack, and make use of the trance-gate effect which I'm always a fan of(!)

Hope you enjoy

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Hahaha I thought at first

Hahaha I thought at first 'WTF someone ripped off my song!' because one of my recent tracks is called ascension XD

This is some good stuff btw... Great basses. And effects... Well rounded production I would say to work on the low end but I could say that literally about every track on singlecellsoftware haha.

I'm trying to start the highpass movement.

But this is a great track. Love it man!

I make creative EDM utilising Caustic and many other Daws. See for yourself on my SoundCloud, you may like it :) https://soundcloud.com/xandyaudio thanks!

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I always enjoy the way you

I always enjoy the way you use the vocals...
I wasn't expecting the the second drop!(listening and typing)
Another awesome tune better than the last one;)

♬​ Lu!G

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Hah, sorry Mrshots, didn't

Hah, sorry Mrshots, didn't mean to pinch your title! I'm guessing you mean bass is a bit too prominent? I did high pass it in mastering, with a fairly high Q, and then tried to tame the resultung resonant peak with a second filter, but maybe still too bass heavy? Anyway, thanks for the comment!

And cheers LifeUp, glad you enjoyed it!

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Nah man, it's not too

Nah man, it's not too prominent at all, it's just the right amount of bass, but it's not detailed down there, as in there's too much... I mean highpass all stuff except for the bass that gives the sub content, and the kick, you don't have to highpass everything else but if you don't highpass something I recommend instead turning the bass in the mixer all the way down... Then if you want more bass in the song, turn up the sub or the kick. It's tried and tested by literally all producers XD and I don't think that just because we use Caustic we can't get professional sounding bass frequencies, and if we want that we have to follow a few rules. You have to balance creativity vs mix in caustic... If you use highpassed all the time like me it leaves less room for fx like chorus or Flangers but if you don't highpass anything you get a somewhat messy low end... I will only ever not highpass something in extreme circumstances like in repentence I had a cool bass but without the chorus and foldback it sounded weak so I decided to just turn down the bass in the mixer (doesn't remove all bass, just attenuates it btw), also, since that bass was quite plucky it didn't matter much anyway. I also did the same in a wip I'm doing rn... But I only ever not highpass one thing if I have to (not counting kick and bass).

Go with what you want > sound quality = highpass and creativity = use it for fx :)

Also highpass after the fx not before or your distortion ir fx will create harmonics lower than the cutoff.

And the modular has a built in highpass btw so use that and you have both fx slots! Don't use the state variable either, use the crossover/splitter and it's a free highpass :D

Your call bro

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What my ears hear, is a

What my ears hear, is a decent smooth tone, and not pumping smashed (so-called loudness war)

If you HPF'd it, seemed like alot of high end got lost somewhere, >10khz  ----sounds like a notch in there somewhere 8-12khz....

Instead of trying to set up a bunch of HPF modules in Caustic, I have recommended to take ALL Mixer Desk LOW EQ down -3db from your current channels' settings (well more so for certain sounds that may mash up 80-200 hz is a major mud trouble spot of too much content streams in that range at the same time) and also in the 2-4khz range.   Mastering App can target and control these zones further as well.

But more importantly than just HP filtering for certain instruments..... automating instrument channels levels seems more prevelant, for highlighting a certain instrument at times, and pulling it back at other times, so other sounds or FX can peek through..... a good variation of this technique for several instruments or arps or even backing vocals, can take even a simple repetitive loop-based track, into a more dynamic "natural" feel, and reducing hearing fatigue.

But this piece here actually sounds quite decent, and was easy on the ear for the elements you have in there for your style of music.

Nice work, sir.

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Oh yeah, now I get it........

Oh yeah, now I get it........ "Ascension" --- I knew that name sounded familiar!   heheheheh

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Yeah Jason that method would

Yeah Jason that method would work but if you turn down the bass knobs in the mixer, you have limited control, sounds like it's cuts at maybe 250 and it's really just a shelf, with the caustic highpassed you can go as low as 80 for your cutoff (lowest setting still cuts quite a bit) and you can cut a lot higher too, I guess it's just me but I like being able to adjust it so the effect isn't audible except for the increase in sound quality, it also helps control the mids. I also use the built in lowpass on my high basses (basses that aren't the sub) just a bit from the top, and using the lowpass and highpass you can separate everything into a different range, in fact. Yesterday I spent some time in the mastering app bandpassing finding those very ranges and wrote them down for future reference. So now I have a list of frequency ranges for each instrument, which is useful when cutting or boosting... I recommend this too,..

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That's how I do it anyway :P

That's how I do it anyway :P go with your preference.

P.s here's the list I made for my songs. I took a finished song of mine (not on soundcloud yet) and highpassed and lowpassed using the eq in the mastering editor to find the ranges...
Did a separate one for the kick because it's pretty full spectrum...

Song -

0-150 = sub
150-600 = bass
600-1500 = pads and choir
1500-7000 = leads
7000-15000 = hats
15000-20000 = air

Kick -

0-100 = sub
100-250 = punch
250-1500 = thud
1500-7500 = beater
7500-20000 = click

Whenyou hpf in the mastering it's also beneficial to find out the hz of your lowest bass note and if it's higher than 40, you can hpf there instead (e.g my lowest note is g1 which is 47hz so I highpass at 47hz in mastering) so you can cut out just a little bit more rumble, while not losing any info, because anything below your lowest bass note is inaudible crap :P

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Thanks Mrshots and Jason for

Thanks Mrshots and Jason for all the EQ-ing advice - there's a huge amount of info here and I'll definitely be taking it into account in future tracks!

I do often turn down the bass knob on mixer desk control for all instruments except bass & kick (that's actually the case in this track), but I think you've hit the nail on the head Mrshots, when you point out this only attenuates the bass frequencies, and doesn't remove them completely as would be the case with an insert FX filter (and FX slot space is ALWAYS limited!)

This again highlight my most desired feature request - more insert effects. I think every other limitation of the app can be overcome with some creative thinking, but not the lack of insert effects -  a couple more per instrument would open up a lot of creative potential

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I agree entirely... 3 fx

I agree entirely... 3 fx slots would open up new possibilities for me, I salivate just thinking about it :D

And no problem we're all here to help and share knowledge :)

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Accidentally found this post

Accidentally found this post again. Throwback... This goes to highlight how you must always take advice with a grain of salt. While the whole highpass thing i suggested is mostly correct, i was definitely overdoing it with my tracks, even up until maybe a few weeks ago (i gradually started moving the cutoff lower and lower).

So yeah, in this case i was most likely wrong. Additionally, my concept of a good tonal balance was way off back then, so it may have been that the bass sounded just fine.

Kudos

I make creative EDM utilising Caustic and many other Daws. See for yourself on my SoundCloud, you may like it :) https://soundcloud.com/xandyaudio thanks!