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303-Bassline in Caustic...

I read a recent blog from MusicalAndroid comparing various 303 emulators, and it got me thinking on how to maintain the authentic sound in the Caustic App.

Here is how I set it up:
Distortion Mode Saturate..... Soak it just enough to get the growl and grit in SquareWave Mode PWM knob off a few clicks.

In the Main Mixer.... Low EQ@10:00 MidEQ@1:00 HiEQ@9:00

Try it, you might like how it sounds....

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I didn't read the others, but

I didn't read the others, but I did read the one about Caustic's 303. In all fairness, I think Frank let me off easy. I'm sure I don't have the best 303 emulation. A lot of tradeoffs were made for mine to have it play nice with others. You see every other implementation of the bassline's legendary filter I've seen involves a lot of expensive math. The kind of stuff you could not run if you were trying to run 6 (or more) basslines all together, plus effects.

I think it was a fair assessment given the context.

That said I'll give you settings a try Jason.

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U have a point about the

U have a point about the original machine, cuz i had one before years ago.... There is no magic circuit that was designed to give the characteristic drive effect that is used and emulated today. Its really as simple as the frequency spectrum of the initial oscilator signal into a preamp stage, then a gain of sorts that can go into overdrive type of effect, then seems to go into another preamp stage where high frequencies are rolled off somehow. That spot, I believe is where we hear the magic growl effect.

I have done studies in the past regarding preamps and tube drive effects, tryimg to mimic classic amps of guitars and the mighty Leslie 122 (used with a Hammond B3) and i have achieved remarkable results using 12AX7 and 12AU7 tubes run in series with EQ modules pre and post gain on a simple 2 stage setup.
Some older style tube amps on various instruments and cabinet amps will ha e as many as three or more gain stages.... Which yields rich even harmonic content that our ears like to hear.
The Caustic Bassline yields a bright tone which is good for the OD effect built into it, and by simply following my post-EQ adjustment in the Mixer, you can get similar results quickly enough to put the other android toys to shame once again.....
Listen to my latest Trancez demo track and you'll hear what i mean

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I kinda agree that the

I kinda agree that the Caustic Bassline doesn't quite do it. I found a site that had 303 patterns played on the original and one or two emulators and there was an astonishing amount of bite and gnarlyness in the real instrument BUT I'm using a £6.50 app that I love. I don't expect what would be a miracle really. I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about it.

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Hmmmmm wanna do a challenge

Hmmmmm wanna do a challenge on that????

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My 2cents;

My 2cents;

The TB-303 is electric. Anybody that has used analog and digital knows the difference. There is just no way digital can recreate a natural voltage sound. Its just physically impossible and can be proven mathematically as well.

For one, we don't even know the true natural calculations that go into electricity, I'm talking on the sub atomic level.

So the fact we don not have to "correct sub atomic" calculation and for that matter a computer fast enough to calculate those seemingly random values, a digital instrument will never get the squelch of growl we here in pure voltage analog.

Its the same thing with guitars, I have played now for decades and I have not heard on digital guitar sound that I would say actually sounds anything like a real acoustic guitar.

Mike

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One other side note.

One other side note.

I think the main problem with digital verses analog deals with resolution. Which kind of backs up what I said above.

Bytes are 0 and 1 put into a certain sequence in a certain packing resolution. This alone limits the amount of calculations anyway.

So as of tech right now, we are trying to compare vynl sound resolution(number of grooves per millimeter), to CD resolution (number of bits in an integer).

Until there is some type of processing and memory that can hold the resolution of nature, we are just going to have to stick with electricity and real sound waves for that pure sound .:)

Mike

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I totally agree with Mike. I

I totally agree with Mike. I own a Fractal axe FX, a rather expensive piece of gear, sold as the best digital guitar amp emulator, combining famous preamps, power amps, cab IR's, effects.  I played it in the studio, on stage for two or three gigs, and went back to my tube amps. It's just an illusion: you can play these fake amps at home and be happy, but IRL, compared to a real amp, it's just flat, 2D, plastic sound. 

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Yup... I agree...  quality

Yup... I agree...  quality Russian tubes rock...   A really good quality tube pre:  Speakeasy Vintage Music --- they will custom design anything to fit your needs or wants for your rig.   And the sound is incredible (300+V designs like the real things from yesteryears)

 

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Many thanks!

Mega thanks for this advice J. Just tried it in my Caustic Antics track and it sounds full and fat...seems to have cleaned my mix up aswell. One thing I'm not too clear on though is when you say "PWM knob off a few clicks", do you mean as if it was set at 12 oclock and a few clicks off that? Anyway, the advice is totally sound. "Try it, you might like how it sounds...." I did and I do. I have spent all morning reading the tips and tricks on this forum...all valuable advice. I have even learned a bit about the dark art that is compression and put it to good use after studying your jmixidea1 file. Huge thanks again. ;) Caustic 2.1...simply the best music creation tool on Android...fact

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In SquareWave Mode.... set

In SquareWave Mode.... set the PWM knob to about 4:00.   In my Window II track, that is what I used in the Bass sound using BL.

I'm working on a YT video to show this song and another one, you'll be able to see my settings and whatnot.... soon

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Thanks!

Got it...thanks J...it seems to have cleaned the bottom end up quite a bit...A bit of slow phaser seems to work a treat. Look forward to your YT video. ;)