26 posts / 0 new
Last post
Killer_Joe
Killer_Joe's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/30/2017 - 08:07
Caustic Jazz

Hi Everyone,
My first track for your listening pleasure, or not depending on taste. :)
I have tried to make something a little different. It has taken me around 4 weeks to create and uses every channel. I have also tried mastering with the Beta Master app, which I will have to say is an AMAZING companion app Rej. Can't wait for the release edition.

So, take a seat and have a listen to some Monkey Jazz. All comments welcome, I am very much a beginner here also.

UPDATED
Here is a Dropbox link to the Caustic file if you cats want it. Oops sorry slipping back into jazz mode for a second there.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/z5g87xjq0hrkmr0/MonkeyJazzV1.caustic?dl=0

deeplow
deeplow's picture
Offline
Joined: 06/07/2012 - 15:48
Jazzy, groovy, (I love the

Jazzy, groovy, (I love the bass lines), Chill .... a pleasure of course.
It might even be part of caustic demos, eh Rej (if it reads us)?

Good work

Killer_Joe
Killer_Joe's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/30/2017 - 08:07
Hi Deeplow

Hi Deeplow
Thanks very much for having a listen. I am so happy you enjoyed it, especially the bass lines :). I love a good bass line.

I'm on my way to check out your tunes now.

Adjcent
Adjcent's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/26/2017 - 14:18
Wow, this was all done on

Wow, this was all done on Caustic...? It sounds so real. Did you record and input the recordings through PCM or Vocoder? Did you use sounds already available? Did you make your own? It sounds very clear! Awesome job! It sounds really professional!

Joel M Centeno

Wellsley
Wellsley's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/29/2014 - 11:56
Hi, yes I really enjoyed

Hi, yes I really enjoyed listening to your track, great deployment of horns, lovely bass, piano, and nice groove, like the changes, especially the one just coming up to the half way point, which then happens again last 2 minutes. I am interested where you got your sounds from as well. Good stuff

Killer_Joe
Killer_Joe's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/30/2017 - 08:07
Hi Adjcent

Hi Adjcent
Thank you for your super enthusiastic response to my track. Yup, it is all Caustic. I will upload the .caustic file to somewhere for you if you like. It is quite big to post here as it uses a lot of pcm modules.
All my sounds are gathered from various paid and free sources on the net. Skarabee has a couple of his sounds in there but the rest I have made up and tweaked from all over.
The Grand Piano I spent a lot of time on panning the samples across the keyboard and tweaking each sample.
The bass is a mix of sawsynth and a sampled electric bass. I'll post another track very soon for you.

Killer_Joe
Killer_Joe's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/30/2017 - 08:07
Hi Wellsley

Hi Wellsley
Thank you for your super critique. The changes you point out are my favourites also :)
As I mention above I use sounds from all over the Web. As much free stuff as I can get...:)
I think the horns are from an old Soundfont. There are lots of these kicking around the net and I spend way toooooo much time trying to find the best ones.

deeplow
deeplow's picture
Offline
Joined: 06/07/2012 - 15:48
Thanks for the file

Thanks for the file

And again: very nice piece.

I'm looking forward to hearing the next one.

Killer_Joe
Killer_Joe's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/30/2017 - 08:07
Hi Deeplow

Hi Deeplow
You are very welcome :)
I'm thinking of finishing off a cover of a classic Disco/Funk Rnb track. Don't Stop till You Get Enough.
I love making covers as you get to learn so much about how a really good piece of music is structured. It's also great fun trying to recreate something on just my phone.

Wellsley
Wellsley's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/29/2014 - 11:56
Yeah I've just managed to get

Yeah I've just managed to get round to having a look, thanks for sharing it, had a vey quick listen and will definitely snag the bass, striiking tune on another listen, cheers mate

 

Killer_Joe
Killer_Joe's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/30/2017 - 08:07
Cheers Wellsley

Cheers Wellsley
Hope to hear some of that bass soon. :)

Aakash
Offline
Joined: 05/11/2016 - 01:47
Nice one i like that, sounds

Nice one i like that, sounds good.
Check my song:-

Moon Light Trap(Original mix)

https://youtu.be/CCwWahV_zjw

Lazerwound
Offline
Joined: 11/24/2016 - 18:02
I like this, it's well good.

I like this, it's well good. A lot of the melodies, chord voicings, layers reminded of Guitar Trio (classy), and the fun electro feel and timbres reminds me of like the more sophisticated end of PS2 era game music. Nice work.

I reckon the mix is quite in-your-face for the dynamic music you have and could have been dialled back a bit to allow it all to breathe more, just a bit more sympathetic to allow the lower ebbs to receed, and so allow the crash-ins to have more impact. It rather pumps right on through, it was quite pushy in the headphones, I felt pressurized ;) Not that it doesn't sound legit though, it's well short of sounding squashed or brickwalled, don't get me wrong, nothing really critical to say, can't fault the track!

Killer_Joe
Killer_Joe's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/30/2017 - 08:07
Hi Lazerwound,

Hi Lazerwound,
Thank you very much for your great appraisal and critique. I'm still very much a learner when it comes to mixing so please excuse my heavy handedness :) I completely agree with what you say, that it is a bit in your face in places. I might go back and give it another mix. See where it takes me.
Cheers.

JHSound
JHSound's picture
Online
Joined: 06/04/2015 - 11:21
Hey Joe,

Hey Joe,

I'm late to this party but ...

You say you're a beginner/learner here but you definitely are not a beginner when it comes to music.  This is a great track, nicely mixing in new sounds and instruments as it rolls along. Musically, this was a really enjoyable song.  It feels like keys might be your main instrument, just guessing.

As to LW's comments, I got a similar reaction a while ago to one of my tracks. It came down to their opinion being that I over-compressed a bit with the result being similar to what LW described.  Since, then I've tried to dial back on compression a little.

Anyway, really enjoyable music and is on my list now.  Welcome to the forum.

 

Killer_Joe
Killer_Joe's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/30/2017 - 08:07
Hi JHS

Hi JHS Thanks for the great comment. Yup you guessed right that keyboards are my instrument. I'm still a beginner on guitar though. I have loved to make music all my life, but as always life gets in the way lol. I'm retired now and have much more time to play and learn. I have fallen in love with Caustic. I dabbled with a few other apps before I found caustic and none of them had the versatility that caustic has. After LWSs comment I went back and listened again and I felt he was pretty on the nail with his suggestions. As you say I am gonna dial back my compression and let the sounds breath a bit more. I am working on lots of tracks so I have lots to practice with and try out. I posted a Robert Miles cover and that too is somewhat over compressed so I might just try a new mix on that first. I look forward to your future critique mate. :)

opus.quatre
opus.quatre's picture
Offline
Joined: 02/16/2016 - 17:29
I'M truly pleased, and

I'M truly pleased, and impressed... great track.. Very good know l'essentiel of music..
(I would reduce the release on the trumpet, thoughr, to make it sound more natural, but that's all.. all the rest is very good, to me)..

Killer_Joe
Killer_Joe's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/30/2017 - 08:07
Hi Opus.quatre

Hi Opus.quatre
Thanks for the great comment.
I understand your thinking behind the trumpet. I will take a look at it. I used a SF2 there, I think it was originally a Westgate trumpet, beautiful sound with a long hold going into a slight crescendo or PARP as I call it :)

DanSeb
DanSeb's picture
Offline
Joined: 11/08/2012 - 07:06
A really impressive piece of

A really impressive piece of music Killer Joe, I love the piano work throughout, that is some seriously impressive sequencing! It all sounds very natural, a great use of the soundfonts and software.

Killer_Joe
Killer_Joe's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/30/2017 - 08:07
Hi DanSeb

Hi DanSeb
Thank you for your wonderful comment. :)
Sequencing in Caustic is very simple when you use the piano roll. I just play and record. I do spend A LOT of time fixing my dodgy playing but I still find it better than using the pattern editor. Which is GREAT for little often repeated parts (mustn't knock the pattern editor :) I leave lots of errors in to just to humanise the track. Even my drums go out of time a little, sometimes.
Soundfonts are a great source to start with so long as you put some time into them. There is a lot out there, mostly rubbish but some quality ones also.

opus.quatre
opus.quatre's picture
Offline
Joined: 02/16/2016 - 17:29
I would not call them "errors

I would not call them "errors" but éhuman touch"..

Hello Killer.. So, what we hear is what you played on the keyboard ?? slightly corrected, I understand..  wow.. I wish I could play half as well as you.. (Well.. Double as well would be welcome, as well.. eh eh..)..

For some of my tunes, I've been acting the same way as you.. But most of the times, I have to play it 10 or 50 times before getting an almost correct one..

it then takes 5 minutes to play it, and weeks to edit, correct and adjust notes, durations, velocity.. But like you, I feel that the result will still be better than well calibrated notes, strictly in tempo..

That's especially true in jazz and in some pop styles.. Probably less true in techno styles.. Not sure of that last point..

Anyway.. I still feel jealous or your playing abilities..

 

(Concerning your trumpet.. As you kindly made the caustic file available, I tried your tune; first with you trumpet soundfont, but wlth a shorter release, and then with an FMsynth trumpet.. In both case, I was not truly satisfied by the relust : it still sounded more like a keyboard player, than a trumpet player.. So I edited the trumpet solo, so that no note covers any other note.. All are separated.. And it sounded much more like a trumpet..

Something I noticed when editing my own tunes : when i use a trumpet preset, i will naturally, instinctively, separate the notes, more than I would do with a saxophone-like or flute-like or clarinet-like preset.. And once recorded, if I later want to test the part with another  sound, and I replace the trumpy preset by a saxy, a fluty or a woody, I'm not satisfied by the change.. I then feel the need to edit each note, one by one, so that there is less gaps between them.. I would say that the trumpet needs less "legato" playing, than saxophones or flutes or clarinets.. I suppose it could say the same for trombones..)

 

Have a nice week end.. And those who have sun, enjoy it..

Thierry

Starling
Starling's picture
Offline
Joined: 05/14/2017 - 11:35
Very nice. The bar is set! 

Very nice. The bar is set! 

Killer_Joe
Killer_Joe's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/30/2017 - 08:07
Hi Thierry

Hi Thierry

Yes that is all played from my keys via midi. As i said though, i do a lot of editing afterwards although only to correct a key or small timing issue. I try not to do any form of quantising as i prefer the èhuman touch. :) I do lots of copy and pastes for my rythym and percussion tracks so they are quite uniform but i still leave the odd error in.

Yes that is a good idea for the trumpet track, as the trumpet is really a monophonic instrument anyway there shouldnt be many overlays except for when there is a pitch slide . Next time i use it i will endeavour to do a bit more editing :) :) :)a

Thanks again for all your wonderful comments.

Joe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Killer_Joe
Killer_Joe's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/30/2017 - 08:07
Hi Starling

Hi Starling

Thanks for your great comment mate. I dont think the bar is set just yet though. I am still hearing some amazing tracks coming through here and SC . I have a LOT to learn yet. It still amazes me what can be done in Caustic. I have a few daws and lots of vst's and vsti's but i havnt looked at them in months. I think my laptop could be pining for me. LOL

Lazerwound
Offline
Joined: 11/24/2016 - 18:02
Late back to the party, but I

Late back to the party, but I had a look over the project file as well. I simply think you had your output from the mixer too high generally, and then made a couple of heavy touches at the mastering stage. It really isn't very far off the complete article, all the attention here is well deserved. This is amazing. I'd have said I was fairly across the functions and useability of Caustic, it's opened my scope up even more looking over how you've put this together.

The compressor in mastering stage was understandable, it is normal process to do that. However... I've found that since transitioning from mixing live instruments, where at every stage you're trying to harness a lot captured energy and filter/chisel it into something cohesive, additional mastering compression is almost redundant in this kind of environment where all the sounds are designed and in control. I would say 99% unnecessary in this project. I would remove it altogether.

Run your desk with all mastering effects off, you want the master output to be MAX -10dB prior to mastering FX being applied. Some engineers will bounce their mix to go to mastering at super, super low volume, like down to -20dB. Shape the sound more gently with the master EQ as well - better off using subtractive EQing. i.,e,Boosting EQ at mastering stage always makes for lots of that push/pull sounding intrusive limiting. BTFO on the limiter PRE gain (11-12 o'clock). Use the POST and master volume to achieve listening output. Use PRE gain in tiny increments if you feel the mix needs any more pressure. I did a dummy run and it was still below 12 o'clock position...

Well done mate, seriously.

Killer_Joe
Killer_Joe's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/30/2017 - 08:07
Hi Lazerwound 

Hi Lazerwound 

Thank you so much or your wonderful insights. Geez i'm learning soooo much here. :) I actually watched a video on youtube just a couple of days ago which describes and shows exactly what you are talking about. It was not the best presented video,  the dude in it i'm sure had not taken his Ritalin or something. LOL But i got the gist of what he was talking about and now you have clarified it in a much more elegant way. 

I have just uploaded a new track and it id much softer in detail. I used the Youtube dudes suggestions so have a listen and give me yor much wished for critique. I will do a fresh post with the new track.

Thanks mate