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Who is it? [Feat. Veela]

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Whilst browsing around my computer I found an audio sample I made of the broken fan in my fridge (ice buildup due to broken defrost heater was restricting the blades) and, with a bit of processing, have managed to make use of the sample in this track as a riser! 

I also returned to the first vocal sample pack I ever purchased - Siren by Veela, for this one.

It uses 5 modsynths - sub bass, bass, lead, noise sweeps and arpeggiator lead, along with a Sawsynth, Subsynth & KSSynth. 3 PCMSynths for Vocals, strings and samples, and finally 3 Beatboxes for percussion samples.

The majority of this track was in place after only a few days, but then it's taken me over a month to fine tune and polish this track to completion. (The arrival of our 2nd child during the process may have had something to do with that!)

Hope you enjoy, and any comments welcome

 

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Your stuff always sounds so

Your stuff always sounds so clean dude. Like everything is crystal clear and right where it should be in the mix. My stuff always ends up a little muddy. Really like the delay on the stabs in the background. Subtle but noticeable.

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Appreciate the comment Alexei

Appreciate the comment Alexei! 

The common advice is always to reference against other commercial tracks you know well, but I tried that approach for a while and found that my reference tracks had varying levels for individual elements anyway, so for example if you match your Hi Hats volume to Track A, they sound too loud compared to Track B. Maybe I need to chose more consistent reference tracks but I just didn't seem to get on well with that method.

What I have found works well though, is listening to your track at various stages throughout it's development on as many different speakers as is practically possible and adjust to what sounds 'right'. Certain speakers highlight problem elements straight away, so my crappy work PC computer speakers might highlight a particularly harsh lead frequency or my 5.1 surround system may highlight a muddy low end. I use an FM transmitter to listen with my car speakers, plug into the line-in socket on the works HI-Fi, listen through my wall mounted QUAD's and through various headphones & bluetooth speakers. It's always worth a listen through your tinny phone speaker as well, to see how it sounds with no low end!  It's also good to listen from another room to which the track is playing - it's amazing how quickly you can detect problem volumes and frequencies using that method!

So yeah, I don't often reference against other tracks, but do listen on every possible speaker system I can get my hands on! Having said that, I don't think you've got any problems when it comes to mixing, you're latest track sounds spot on to me!

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I did a sound engineering

I did a sound engineering course back in the day and the first bit of advice we were given was exactly what you just said. And that crappy speakers are just as important as expensive ones. I think everyone has their own style anyway, and any rules are only to be followed loosely, more like guidance. I mean, if we all followed the rules of art, we'd have no monet or dali, no dnb or dubstep or trance.
I hope you don't give up on dnb dude. It's a challenge for sure, but you learn so much about things u thought u knew when you're forced to look at them from another angle. I've done four dnb tunes (Heathens and Take A Deep Breath on this account, and as Alexei Bourdan, I made a remix of Bloodstream by Ed Sheeran, and Gate Raid).
They're all different styles and moods, but each one was a learning exercise more than anything. At one point, Bloodstream was getting nearly a hundred hits a day on youtube, and stands at nearly 9000 hits so far. But so long as you save what you've done, it's always there, and one day, you'll fancy a change of scene and go back to it. I'm like you, and probably most ppl, in that I start so many tunes, but finish very few in comparison, but they're all there, and sometimes, like now, I don't have a frontrunner and am waiting for a tune to bite me so I get consumed in it.

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I did a sound engineering

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Ah nice, so you know very

Ah nice, so you know very well what I'm talking about then! I actually did 'Audio System Design & Music Technology' at Uni back in 2001 myself, sounds like we may have learnt some similar material! 

9000 hits, wow, I only have 6000ish in TOTAL for every track I've ever uploaded to Soundcloud, that's impressive. I will check out your DnB tunes when I get a chance, as I'd love to write one that I was proud of. As you say, 'waiting for a tune to bite' is a very good analogy and is exactly where I'm at right now!

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If u fancy it dude, drop me

If u fancy it dude, drop me an email with a loose frame and I'll tinker, and I'll send you one of my brooders,
Clab might be good

2ndalexeib@gmail.com

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Nice, that sounds like a plan

Nice, that sounds like a plan! I'll have a go at writing something with a high tempo, and once I get something with a bit of potential, I'll send it your way. I'll drop you a quick email now just to make contact...

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Wonderful track Dan. I've

Wonderful track Dan. I've been following your conversation with Alexei too and I'm learning soooo much. Unlike you guys I know very little in the way of actually mixing my music other than tinker until I like the sound. Keep doing what your doing as I'm learning so much. Cheers mate.

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Hey jojo, just wanted to say

Hey jojo, just wanted to say that I've actually learnt more from using Caustic than I ever did on that course. The tutorials are flawless and so in depth. And also the forum is beyond what you should expect.
There's definitely a curve in what I've posted, going back a couple years ago. I was in awe of what people were posting, never for a second thinking I could make something so polished, and I still know my stuff needs more polish, but it's definitely improved on what I used to make. My ideas are bigger, cos I know that if there's something I can't make, as a general rule, it's me, not caustic at fault. I used to churn stuff out at a rate of one every couple of days. Now I'd rather wait and be sure, and even with the latest stuff, there are def things I'd change, and things that bug me cos I know I forgot the crash here or there. I think even the most accomplished musicians are still learning. If you think you know it all, life will soon make it clear you don't lol

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Thanks Joe, glad to be of

Thanks Joe, glad to be of help! I learnt a huge amount about Caustic in the beginning by downloading other peoples .caustic project files and studying how they'd used the software creatively, which is why I always upload my project files in the hope that they'll perhaps help others. 

I feel like I've got a fairly good grasp of what Caustic can and can't do by now, but then Alexei goes and shows me a whole new trick to vocal sample manipulation I was oblivious to! So yeah, definitely always more to learn about it!

Thanks for the Soundcloud comments too!

Alexei - I actually spotted a glaring mistake in this very track only yesterday (after countless playthroughs), and thought "how could I have missed that?" but it's done now, so I'll leave it as it is, and claim it was always meant to be like that! P.S I've got an 8 bar DnB loop 'work in progress' that might be a potential for sending your way soon!

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That'd be good dude. I'm not

That'd be good dude. I'm not just open to dnb clabs....I think our styles are very similar whilst being totally different and I think we could make a pretty decent house tune.
I used to always post my files, and I asked a while back if we could have a counter, so we know how many times a caustic file has been downloaded, cos if nobody's using it, I'm wasting my time lol.
And some mistakes are wonderful things....human beings.....viagra......my son (JOKE!!!)

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Haha!! Yes I know what you

Haha!! Yes I know what you mean, it would be nice to know if the file has ever been downloaded, but I guess it's a form of backup even if not. (I also sometimes wonder about the implications of sharing a file that contains samples from a paid sample pack too, but it has just become habit now, to upload the file)

I'd be happy to give a house collab a go. Must admit I've never tried a collaboration before with anyone, mostly because I don't have a massive amount of free time for Caustic (1 track a month is about all I can manage), and I wouldn't want to feel like the other person was getting fed up waiting for me to add to the project! 

I was thinking about the DnB thing last night though, and wanted to get my initial idea down as soon as possible, so I've quickly put down what was in my head last night into Caustic today, but not entirely sure where to take it now, so might be nice to see if you have any ideas on what direction to take it.

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No problem dude, just mail it

No problem dude, just mail it to me. As for house Clab, I can be quite slow too, but not in any rush to put something out right now, so u don't need to worry about dragging your heels

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Yeah definitely the chillest

Yeah definitely the chillest DanSeb track ive heard so far...yet like Alexei mentioned everythings always in the right spot where it supposed to be;)
Especially the vocals very loud and focused in the mix...

Great job DanSeb once again!
Btw...are u on facebook? U should join the Caustic group for more feedback;)

♬​ Lu!G's Mansion

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Thanks very much LifeUp! I

Thanks very much LifeUp! I wasn't aware about a Caustic group on Facebook, but after a quick search 'Caustic 3 Producers' seems to be the most official looking one - is that the one you mean? I've 'requested' to join.

Would be nice to reach out to a wider audience, as since Soundcloud groups closed, my play counts have dropped massively(!)