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Two new tracks using the Beta of Caustic Remix, 'Submerged' and 'Small Talk'

I've been using the Beta of Caustic Remix for about 6 months now and it's become my tool of choice to arrange pattern heavy, repetitive Techno / Tech House / Minimal type tracks.

It's quick, intuitive and adds an element of spontaneity / performance to arrangements. I love it smiley

These were written in Caustic for Android, arranged into scenes in Caustic Remix and then recorded as a live take and saved as a Caustic song file. Back in Caustic I carried out a few edits before exporting a mixdown.

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...and here's the second one 

https://soundcloud.com/james-muir/small-talk...and here's the second one smiley

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Nice stuff James, I can hear

Nice stuff James, I can hear the scenes. :)

Now I just need to finish the app sooner than later. Just imagine if you had a full pattern library manager and automation with X/Y on the takes.

Was there anything messing you up when you made these two?

How many takes do you use, just one? What I mean is, do you spend more time arranging scenes. If so I was thinking the day I do get back developing that app, I could have an option just to export the scene list as a .caustic file.

But I guess for this might be harder than I think because of loop lengths and things that are determined when playing live.

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After setting the basics up,

After setting the basics up, I probably launched more Clips than Scenes but I relied on Scenes as the fundamental building block(s).

These were single take and then edited in the main app (mainly to remove redundant sections as the initial takes were too long).

Some kind of X / Y interface (like a Chaos Pad?) to record automation would be awesome heart

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Ok, this came up on the beta

Ok, this came up on the beta forums eons ago but I hit a conundrum, multiple takes screw up my data structure when it pertains to automation. There is a huge amount of data that gets going when recording a lot of stuff and having a bunch of takes with different automation gets messy.

To support multiple takes to that depth of individual patches and such is like reloading a rack each take. Right now it's just a bunch of sequencer events, so it's lightweight.

The problem is, if I treated them like an individual track/rack, the file size would suffer, so that means I would have to maintain all the state in each take while not letting people change machines. You could add a machine but not remove it because it would change the state of the other takes.

Catch my drift?

If you noticed, I know the version you are using is kind of broken UI wise but you can select a clip. I was just about to let you edit the arrangement like you can in caustic, removing, moving clips, cutting measures, etc.

Anyway, glad somebody made some music with it. :)

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Hah, I just had a notion! 

Hah, I just had a notion! 

What if I actually made a take a .caustic file state. Where the app could load multiple takes but they are actually external files.

So that means I pass the file size responsibility to the user. You want 10 takes of a track, that is 10 times the file size on his/her disk, they can delete them if they want.

If I actually followed this paradigm, I could do EVERYTHING I do in LilGrooveBox with Remix for each take. (this might actually get me developing it again, one reason I put it on the back burrner was this exact problem)

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That makes sense to me,

That makes sense to me, although I have 64gb of storage on my primary device so filesize isn't a problem...any thoughts as to how the interfaces to record automation would look / feel?

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> although I have 64gb of

although I have 64gb of storage on my primary device so filesize isn't a problem.

You are not thinking 4th dimensionally, it's NOT actually the file size, it's the file size. haha If I am trying to manage a 300 MB single file, that is ridiculous for a project size. :)

> .any thoughts as to how the interfaces to record automation would look / feel?

No, other than X/Y pads that could be connected to any combination of synth parameters available.

Also, probably a row of 8 Macro knobs/sliders like How I assign macros in LilGrooveBox.

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Aah, I get you now...maybe

Aah, I get you now...maybe you could have a master project file, and save takes as delta files? So it's the sequencer events and automation only?

Not sure how you could handle the "export as 'caustic" without overwriting the project file though indecision

I didn't play with the Macro's in LilGrooveBox but I do like the idea of the X/Y pads - two per channel?

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>  two per channel?

>  two per channel?

Well this is entirely up to what works UI wise. The macro knobs in LGB can have any synth control assigned to them over any track and have multiple pages.

The XY controls would work off the same principle. I am thinking of going more like mobile control surface UI where you could build custom UI layouts of XY, sliders, knobs etc (or I would have some pre made).

So in essence it would be a performance screen after you have wired up the controls. This like LGB, you could record a take, with the clips, then keep replaying it to do your live automation over it.

I think this is why it's necessary for me to add basic arrangement editing so you can get it the way you want, then automated perform and then into Caustic for the final mix and tweaks.

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I guess it depends on the

I guess it depends on the potential use cases - ultimately, RMX could work as a performance tool for a full set that straddles DJ Set and live performance. Especially once the performance controls are enabled.

Not sure how it would work with the 14 Machine limit though when you want to transition from one track to another! You wouldn't want to be forced to use the same 14 Machines for a full set.

 

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> though when you want to

> though when you want to transition from one track to another!

Impossible. There is no way I could transition. The only way you could do it is if you had 7 track banks. If you only used 7 tracks, you would have the other 7 tracks to switch during play and then you could fade things in, this is only live.

But, I digress, no Ableton link or master sync, what is the point. :)