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Help with deconstructing/reconstructing another sound

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With all the cool new stuff happening here I've already been able to start honing in on some of the sounds that eluded me, really encouraging.

The thing that first helped me start mimicking that Serum/Massive sound was a vid on YouTube by VirtualRiot.

Seeing people here contributing to that wavetable thread as well as the recent advancement in LFO control and the envelope follower have really pushed it to the next level.

So this particular type of sound included in the caustic file, as well as the growly stuff, have been what pushed me for a few months, 2 main sounds that also appear related. Now that I'm getting so much closer to the first type of texture I was after (still have to work out a more vocal componant that is part of it) I'm looking to try and do the same with the second more metallic hit type of thing.

You can hear, forgetting the snare etc., a low bass note but the filter rises really quickly to a certain freq then holds as you get those metallic triplet hits, very resonant, possibly some white noise. FM as well?

In the recent silly 12 tone row file I posted on the UMF thread there are points in the intro and when the time shifts from 3 to 4 where you can almost hear that sound, but, seeing such skill here I thought I'd throw this out there, the more others tinker the more likely someone will decipher or luck into the sound.

The sound is from First of the Year (Equinox) and the caustic file is self explanatory.

When you open the single hit in the editor and loop play it with the Spectrum open it looks like it's gone thru a comb filter although I guess it could just be harmonic spikes produced another way.

FWIW, vids like this:
https://youtu.be/Hk3nhmJNroc

have helped as well. In the end I fully believe these sounds are possible in Caustic, you just have to move around more between machines and fx etc. to get there.

Any ideas greatly appreciated.

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Here's the example I

Here's the example I mentioned. Tried to label it a bit better. You'll notice, being lazy and just wanting to push the most from a few things, I automated the kick length for better control of the EF on some bass notes. Was thinking part of the solution to the sound I'm after would be to use a strong single osc like a square or something to control that lifting resonant filter. Am I getting that right in terms of trying to control the EF?

I'd rather do that in terms of flexibility, and the ability to use that same envelope to modulate more than one aspect of the sound, as opposed to complete automation.

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Huh. Maybe I was overthinking

Huh. Maybe I was overthinking that one.....

Found that little part of the song, starring ripping away unnecessary components, and what do you know. It's kinda close.

But it still doesn't answer everything. Rather be able to find that sound while using the more flexible setup; usually sounds smoother in context plus you don't have to have 6 synths taking up real estate for a few sounds.

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it's kind of a shame but I

it's kind of a shame but I just don't get US Dubstep, although some of the sound design is really cool.

it's not that I don't like noise or noisy music - I think ultimately it's because I find the drums really boring, and because I like dance music to have a groove.

But like I said, I do like some of the sound design so maybe I'll challenge myself to make something tech-ish that has a hint of wub!

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Seriously? You thought these

Seriously? You thought these drums were boring? Ouch!

https://soundcloud.com/stoons-1/stoons-music-suckerpunch

Just kidding. Thought I'd make try to make you squirm and shamelessly plug myself at the same time.

I get it. We all have a different M.O. I just plain love music. Can I dance to it? Sometimes I care, others I don't, I'd rather bang my head or trance out to Tool. A few beer downtime and polka sound awesome.

New Country? Not enough alcohol in existence. Unless it's Brad Paisley. Singing "Alcohol".

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Boring Drums? It's not just

Boring Drums? It's not just the programming, it's the palette of sounds - I'd much rather use a Trap kit than a Dubstep one. Give me a snappy, tappy 808 snare every day in place of that big, ugly gated Dubstep one cheeky

I'm not saying that all music has to be danceable - I spent most of last night listening to Stars of the Lid and there wasn't a beat in sight BUT Dubstep is a sub genre of dance music and by definition should be good to dance to. Except it isn't - not enough groove, constant breakdowns and build ups laugh

That track is pretty cool though - much closer to heavy rock than Dubstep though. I like the Halloween style bells / chimes in the background that raise the tension.