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CarstenWagner
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How to motivate the Dev for further dev

I do love the caustic workflow and am thinking a lot about the future of this wonderful piece of software.

In my opinion caustic is a gem as it is but got also a lot of potential for further development.

The main question IMHO is not what features to improve or add but how to motivate the Father of this project to spend another year or more of his life time to develop the software.

Maybe crowdfunding would be a way to finance the period of development because this could be an obstacle . Most people could not afford to work a longer period of time without payment .

Just a thought.

Any ideas or opinions?

Carsten

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The iOS / Android model for

The iOS / Android model for software updates is a barrier - Rej released Caustic 1 maybe 7 or 8 years ago and anyone that bought it has been able to update to Caustic 3.2 without spending any more money.

The jump from Caustic 2 to 3 was massive and I'm sure persuaded a lot of new users on Android and iOS to buy it (it was the first time Caustic was available on iOS) but Rej has said that between 3 and 3.1 / 3.2 the updates didn't impact new sales in a significant way. This is despite the significant Dev time these updates took - the ratio between effort and reward was unequal.

Each major update I've PayPal'd Rej money but I'm sure I'm in the minority (i.e. probably 5 or 10 people have cared enough to do this).

So the question is; how does Rej monetise updates to Caustic? Does he start again and develop Caustic 4 but treat it as a new app with no upgrade path from 3.2 and force everyone to repurchase it (but maintain backwards compatibility) or does he introduce micro-transactions / pay in app for new features (new machines, new FX etc.)?

Then suddenly you have a user base that are potentially running multiple versions of the app with access to different features, and the ability to share files between users is compromised.

The risk with creating a new standalone app is that it resets your sale count, your reviews etc. as on the day the app is launched it will have 0 sales, not the 100's of thousands of sales Caustic has managed, in turn this makes it harder for a new app to gain traction.

 

CarstenWagner
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Thank you James. This is very

Thank you James. This is very interesting.
Thought it was complex. Sounds like a common problem for developers though.

CarstenWagner
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I don't think someone can

I don't think someone can claim free updates for such a long time.
As I said 'further development' I thought about a new thing.

Maybe crowdfunding could help to start that as you collect an amount of money before you do the main work.

Interesting about this would be to find how many people would found and would Rej be interested in it anyway.

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Drugs and hookers maybe?

Drugs and hookers maybe?

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A dev like Rej that created

A dev like Rej that created an app like this for Android and multiplatform almost 9 years ago really needs no motivation if he wants to start again.

This app was a labor of Love from Rej, nothing more nothing less.

CarstenWagner
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Sorry Mike,

Sorry Mike,
Maybe my post was just selfish.
I have no idea about all that.

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Carsten, No I was just

Carsten, No I was just talking, had nothing to do with you wanting to help the dev out! Sorry for my comment making you think your post was out in left field. :)

Peace!

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I hope Rej gets the

I hope Rej gets the motivation to work on a new version of Caustic and leaves Caustic 3.2 as it is. That app is close to perfection to me... Don't change it please.

Make Caustic 4 a new app (compatible with 3.2).. I'm sure all Caustic users will purchase it...
 

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Mike, I know Rej was feeling

Mike, I know Rej was feeling burnt out by 3.2 - remember how long it took to move from Beta to RC to full release....and I think it's fair to say that 3.1 and 3.2, despite being major updates from an end user perspective, did little to encourage people that weren't using Caustic to buy it - pretty sure that Rej himself said that here.

And the community here that was friendly, engaged and enthusiastic up to 3.0 was becoming more selfish and demanding in tone - again making Rej's decision to take time out easier to make. I seem to remember someone saying 'who let the internet in' when some bad behaviours observed elsewhere on the net started to creep in.

But to put things in perspective, in the year or two Rej has been away doing other stuff, no-one has come in and made a better DAW, at least for Android - N-Track is a rival to Audio Evolution but neither are a serious rival for Caustic when it comes to producing electronic music.

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Back from a little tour in

Back from a little tour in Tahiti, for another season of Another Pink Experience (tribute to Pink FLoyd).

And guess waht, since the last time (2013), never found a better app for my purpose (sounds, sequences, samples, fx), so Caustic was on stage again.  ;)

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I think Caustic 4 will not be there very soon. A few years ago, when I contacted him via e-mail, he wrote to me that 3.2 would have 3.3, 3.4 ect. A year and a half ago, he wrote on the site that in the future there would also be a Loopstack update. And if he has changed his mind, I can not know. I still trust him, also because he never wrote that he wanted to give up. If he wanted to create the app for the sole purpose of earning, he probably would have made the version only for IOS. Besides, I think it's very busy to fill another one at the moment. I do not know him personally, but he does not seem like a person who surrenders so easily. I agree with what Mike wrote. However, I think that if you love what you do, an obstacle is not enough to break you. Rej was the first on android to introduce a serious program to make music. To date there is still nothing similar on Android. So I repeat, I have full confidence in him.

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I for one would definitely

I for one would definitely buy a new version of caustic. Its price is an absolute pittance compared to the amount of time that I spend on it so would be more than happy to buy again.

Tbh there are only a couple of things that I would like to see that may not need a complete overhaul but possibly just a few tweaks.

Things that I would like to see that aren't currently implemented are

Pitch bend,
The ability to loop within a pattern and to be able to stop/start at any place in a pattern

Other than that I can't think of much more I personally would need

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>> Any ideas or opinions?

>> Any ideas or opinions?

Just pay his hours.... in whatever way which is suitable for you.

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What James said.  

What James said.

smiley

 

Daniele Zummo
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Hi Rej, will you create a

Hi Rej, will you create a post to update us in the future?

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Was that Nessie? Or Bigfoot? 

Was that Nessie? Or Bigfoot? wink

anickt

James
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Rej - how about making

Rej - how about making Caustic 4 brand new and standalone on iOS, Android (and desktop variants)? Make it backwards compatible with 3.2 so you can load Caustic song files and presets but not forwards (Caustic 3.2 won't be able to load files created in Caustic 4).

The crucial thing is...make everybody pay for it again, no more free upgrades from Caustic 3.2 but maintain compatibility so you don't alienate the 3.2 user base.

I bought 2.0 and every upgrade since then has been free since then - it's probably the right time to make something of a fresh start laugh

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I've said this before, I'll

I've said this before, I'll say it again... Totally agree with James, I bought caustic v1 for about
$3 way back when, more than happy to throw money your way.

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If. If. If there were to be a

If. If. If there were to be a fresh start, then why shoot the whole thing in the foot, from the word 'go', by keeping backward compatibility? And give the new one a MIDI sequencer.
What would we be losing? The machines don't have to go anywhere, so neither do their presets. They respond to more MIDI control than automation already. So that's done and dusted.
Note data can be retrieved via MIDI files. So it's, just automation and, maybe, fx/mixer setup. Has anyone, here, ever used a track sheet? It's a bit of paper and a pen. Photographs can be taken. How bothered are you about losing all those, precious, 'width control' settings? If that width control made room for a swept mid eq system instead? Backward compatibility for the sake of keeping something that destroys everything in it's path.
If I look through some, dusty, old files, I, generally, find that it wasn't the, groovy, automation that made me save it for a rainy day. If I was revisiting something, for a remix, the first thing I'd, probably, do is delete all the automaton. And, presumably, the plan would be to make this mix better than the last one. With better tools to do it.
Not that much to lose for so much to gain. Pitch bend. Total automaton. Not so much automation required because program changes. DAW integration.
A giant leap forward and a little step back, or a little step forward. I'd, happily, pay for 'the next version of Caustic', whatever it is. But, I couldn't care less about losing old files for all that. And, happily, pay twice as much again. One of these days, all those floppy discs will become useless. Like tears in the rain. I should think Rej could write a MIDI sequencer in his sleep. Were he inclined.
It's, all, a bit hypothetical though, innit?
Just a thought. Miaow :)

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Hi, Rej!

Hi, Rej!
Caustic will receive an update?
Now Android leader in the market. Performance for a full DAW enough!
I agree to pay for Caustic 20, 30, even 50 dollars!
Android is always with me, I love to make music everywhere and always.
Caustic need functionality.
Need infinite effects, racks, graphic audio controls
Make a base, and we will help the skins, etc
Sorry, my english is rusty

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I would gladly pay 100. For

I would gladly pay 100. For an update. I love caustic and i love it better on android then ios. For some reason i just love the fact of pulling all my stuff from my memory card with ease unlike with ios, i know its still easy getting yoursamples into caustic on ios but the android way just clicks better. Caustic still dominates after all this time....pcm synth is one of my favorite devices and i would pay top dollar to see it as an AU on ios or auv3 or what ever..mad props dev. You are a master