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horst86
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is this possible

Hello everybody. I didnt take this to feature requests cause i dont know if this is even possible so here is the question.

Is it possible to have a sidechaining modul in the modular wich can put the sidechain for example on pitch inputs, filter cutoff and so on or must be the code especialy on for cutoff on for pitch...
Would be nice to know

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Side-chain compression is an

Side-chain compression is an effect which can be added to any machine. The effect that it gives you, try to imagine 'squeezing' two tracks together to come out as one.

In Caustic you have a series of channels arranged in columns, all the sounds coming through the channels are 'ported' to one 'master channel.' If you have too many channels playing sound simultaneously in the same 'frequency band' (such as low, bassy, or mid to high) you get those sounds competing or clashing in the mix and the listener won't be able to discern your music well.

The kick drum is supposed to be the loudest and bassiest sound in the mix, so producers use side-chain compression, which basically 'ducks' or lowers the sound of the compressed instrument while the kick plays. If you use extreme parameters on the release, you get some 'pumping' effect, commonly heard in Electro and Disco House. 

Another effect you may be after is called LFO. Modular has that. Inserting an LFO module will give you two dials, a Rate and Depth dial. If you set the Rate and Depth to 'modulate' pitch, you can get something similar to a side-chain effect, a ducking in and out of audible sound. This is because the LFO increases the pitch, if the Depth is extremely high, to an inaudible level, thus giving you a wobbly effect, which can be controlled by the Rate.

 

 

 

 

horst86
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Yeah i know what sidechain

Yeah i know what sidechain compression is and also lfo im not new to this things but my question is about a module that uses not compression, i mean a sidechain module so that the kick drum affects for example the pitch of the waveform generator or cutoff of a filter, something like sidechained envelope follower an lfo for example has a fixed rate yeah i know it can be modulatet but this is not the same cause i want it synced with the kicks whereever they are not a 1/4 or 4/4 rate

lucid
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Maybe you want to look at the

Maybe you want to look at the Vocoder or the Subsynth.

 

 

 

 

horst86
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Sorry but i think you dont

Sorry but i think you dont realy know what i mean

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add a machine input in a

add a machine input in a spare space in a Modular Synth patch - you'll then be able to send the 'out' from the Machine Input into the signal chain for the Modular patch, for instance into the CUT or RES of a filter etc

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Here is something I formed

Here is something I formed with the example of the chain on the cutoff. I added some more filter wiring {blues} and a decay envelope {red}.

I hooked the "chain" onto the state variable filter. Sent it through the "2 input 1 mod mixer" and out into the open.

The green wire is the "chain".

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horst86
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Thanks duran95 didnt know

Thanks duran95 didnt know that its always there:-) i think an advanced machine input video would be great then such dumb questions are history

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Working on that on my end....

Working on that on my end......

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So if the OP hasn't died of

So if the OP hasn't died of old age yet, I did it! An honest to god envelope follower in caustic.

An explanation of what's going on here:

The Subsynth is the thing we want the envelope of

32768 is outputting a DC voltage that is entirely positive

-32767 is outputting a DC voltage that is entirely negative, but is compressed with a sidechain to the Subsynth

The voltage sources have to be PCMSynths because AFAIK all other instruments remove DC automatically. I wish Modular didn't do that so we could transmit CV but w/e that's off topic

The sidechaining has to be on the negative one so that when the volume of the Subsynth goes up, the overall voltage goes up because the compressor reduces the VOLUME of the signal

When 32768 and -32767 are mixed in perfectly equal amounts in Modular, the resulting output is zero when the Subsynth is not playing, and high when it is.

Double the volume of -32767 in the Modular to get a bipolar CV

Sidechain 32768 instead to get an inverse envelope

I feel like a wizard.

A wiki would probably be the best way to make a repository of Caustic techniques.

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That is top notch. Awesome

That is top notch. Awesome

UncleAfx
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Nice work. It took me a while

Nice work. It took me a while, but I think I finally understand it.

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Ok I'm sure I'm missing

Ok I'm sure I'm missing something... maybe the whole point, but as far as an envelope follower, is this setup not capable of the same thing, without sidechaining? I made a positive and negative preset and both behave exactly the same, but you can hear the difference in phase.

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nitro27
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The idea with the envelope

The idea with the envelope follower is that I can take ANY audio and use it as an envelope. With your setup you're still stuck with what PCMSynth's ADSR can make. I wanna, like, record myself playing guitar and use that to play a synth.

Granted an envelope follower would be about 1000000000 times more useful if Caustic had a live audio input, but, you know, someday.

Then they'll see. Then they'll all see.

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