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psytrance sounds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn77xaw11d8

Hey guys :)

I'm a caustic beginner and generally a "music-making" beginnefr since 2 days, and i'm really excited since its not that hard To create a drum sound or a bassline. However, i'm stuck since yesterday as im trying To create some oft those specific psytrance sounds, those growling and wobbling effects.

Up is an example oft what im talking about.

Its that short and deep wuzzling sounds, sounds a little like a fart ;)

Im trying round with the subsynth, and i've made it very close, but its not excactly what im looking for, maybe some of you can help me :)

(Sorry for my Bad english ;)

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Try the Bassline synth. You

Try the Bassline synth. You should find it with the Classic Growl or even the Reece Returns presets. Raise the LFO depth. If not that; try the Modular preset called Dodgerriddim (spelling?). Lower the frequencies (top & bottom left). Space the cents, of both of those, three spaces apart. Then, adjust the waveforms & rates of the two components on the bottom right.

Don't ever get frustrated at it. Just think of it as learning what each button, knob, slider, and switch does. It'll come in handy. Have fun.

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Way two throw the newbie two

Way two throw the newbie two the wolves of the modular, andy!!!!!! Lol ( ( jk )) Mr. Zamoron his right.

(( Seriously )) the mod synth is a beast of what all u can do.

But think your ideas out.

And pace yourself.

Don't get overly frustrated.

U can always post your content and i'm sure (( and it has happen before )) someone will give guiding advice almost always. If not with a debate. But we all are gun-ho about music too. Peace.

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What? *shrugs* I've wired

What? *shrugs* I've wired things since I was seven and my dad ran an electronics store. Modular is the reason I paid for the app key.

Actually, go to the Presets section of the forum and click on the Modular section. Get the Mod Glitch preset I uploaded. It makes some weird sounds. Especially when ran through some of the sound effects.

Have fun.

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Is this what you mean? Not

Is this what you mean? Not sure what you're after.... All these presets can tweaked... Twist some knobs.

 

Put a couple filters on the two of the bassline machines, turned off, mess with em.

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Hey :) thanx for the quick

Hey :) thanx for the quick reply! I get the preset you postet, i hope its not that complicate to use, because i dont know how to handle the modular synth, i just use the bass and the subsynth :) i will try what you wrote, and will let you know soon :).

I hope you understand my stupid english, im from austria :)

Keep rocking!

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@ andyzamoron: thanks, i will

@ andyzamoron: thanks, i will try not to get frustrated quickly ;) im an absolute beginner, and right now i just want to tear the dancefloors of the world apart haha :)

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Yes! This dodgerriddim preset

Yes! This dodgerriddim preset is really good! I tried aroud with some knobs and put the automation on the cutoff switch and it came really close! Thanks a lot andy :)

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No problem. I like to set

No problem. I like to set the bottom octave one lower. Select all, copy, and paste the same pattern a few times. Then, go back and play with the cut/res while recording the pattern. Also, I like to set the wave rates (bottom right) with one fast and one slow. Try recording the adjustments of those too. :)

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Yes, this is nice, it makes

Yes, this is nice, it makes it sound more "stereo" or something like that! I really enjoy playing around with the knobs (lol) and this makes me understand the whole issue "sound" a lot better!

Would you mind listening to my creation so far and give me some tips, if i manage to turn it into a .wav file? Its only 5 minutes long, so i wont waste to much of your time ;)

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Sure. Export it as an ogg

Sure. Export it as an ogg file and upload it to the show & tell forum.

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I'm not an expert but I've

I'm not an expert but I've produced a few psy-trance songs with Caustic. Sorry for the self-promotion but you can hear them here and if you want I can forward the song files as well: https://beforetheriots.bandcamp.com/album/the-way-of-zen‚Äč

There are some other Caustic artists who've done a better job with the darker psy sounding synths than I've done but I've gotten Subsynth to do it before. The trick is to use the two de-tuned oscillators and the LFOs also modulating the pitch and cut-off frequencies.

Also I've uploaded a batch of PCM gated-pad/string presets that are also very useful for trance:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4vmDXOiRuW1Q0VrNldnRjhLNEE&usp=...

One piece of advice is to use side chain compression, dedicate a channel for the kick drum only and set a compressor on the master to sidechain off of the channel with the kick so the rest of the audio will duck rather than clash to the kick drum. Also the mid-range EQ should be reduced because tracks that layer a lot of synths can get really loud and the sound-quality gets degraded by all the competing tracks combining together in that frequency range.
 

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i dont get this with the

i dont get this with the sidechain. i can switch through the numbers, but what are they good for?

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The numbers indicate the

The numbers indicate the track channel. For example the first track the mixer is channel 1. A compressor is said to make the sounds playing roughly an equal volume, so loud sounds like the bass are reduced in volume while quieter sounds like the hi-hats are boosted. Side chain compression is useful when you separate tracks by instruments that occupy a particular frequency range. In electronic dance music the kick is supposed to be the driver of the song and should be the loudest. Other mastering experts like Jason may have more to say on the science behind how compression works and how sound should be modeled for the best quality.

As a simple experiment set up a song file with a beatbox playing a 4/4 kick pattern. On the second track set up a bass synth with a bass line that plays consistently every 16th note. In the effects rack for the second track or on the master rack put in a compressor side chained to the first track, the kick track. By adjusting the ratio, the threshold, and the release you should begin to hear the bass line drop in volume every time the kick plays. Another interesting thing you can do is mute the kick track and the bassline will still drop in volume with the kick, giving something of a LFO effect.

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ok, i think i got it, i will

ok, i think i got it, i will experiment a bit with it, my kickdrum is really not the loudest ;)

@andy: i will post my track online tomorrow, i didn't had the time til now.

keep rockin!

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ok finally its up now, if you

ok finally its up now, if you have the time :)

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Do you mean something like

Do you mean something like this? It's a sort of psy/goa 303 like synth but with a sub bass layer that gives it a nice fat bottom end, which is why its named something a bit different in my own personal files :D You could increase the bass even more with an EQ to give it even more punch but then youll have to put a limiter because the resonance might cause it to clip when the filter sweep gets to the low frequencies.

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I'm a caustic beginner too, I

I'm a caustic beginner too, I managed to do this. Feel free to refer to my caustic song file attached herewith.

Best regards,
Rinaldo

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In psytrance, best synth

In psytrance, best synth right now for that is subsynth. You can get really nice psy sounds. Especially if now how to combine sinewave and saw, and squre. Also dont forget high pass and bend pass filter, wich are fundamental for this type of music.
The psy trance is mostly written in pygorian scale, start with D , and folow the white keys only to learn how it works. Cheers :)

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Hi Amel,

Hi Amel,

Thanks for the great advise, would appreciate it if you could post a small caustic file of ur explanation. That would definitely be a good reference point.

Thanks and regards,
Rinaldo

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The II mode for C Major

The II mode for C Major (scale starting at the second note on white keys is "Dorian". I only really know four and a half modes by heart, don't use them as much since moving from guitar to DAW. I do remember Dorian, Mixolydian (V mode, very pretty), Phrygian (III mode, used in metal a lot, darker than minor and exotic sounding, hard to avoid dissonance without accidentals), Locrian (annoying as all things B) and Phrygian Dominant which is just Phrygian with a major third, play all white keys except for G, play the black one just above instead, and consider E the starting point.

I've never heard of the Dorian mode referred to as the pygorian scale, but I'm still a theory newb so googled it, and can't find the word Pygorian, maybe it's a misspelling of Phrygian and of by a note?