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Request : Drum n bass patterns

Would someone be kind enough to upload a caustic file with some drum and bass patterns.  

I've looked up patterns on the net, but every time I try to copy them they just turn into a rock beat.  

Cheers

 

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Well that's kind of what drum

Well that's kind of what drum n bass is, a sped up rock beat.  You can download my last caustic file from my last track Nightrunner in this thread http://singlecellsoftware.com/node/7837.  It has a fairly classic dnb drum beat and sampled amen break.

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Thanks.  This helps a bit,

Thanks.  This helps a bit, but I'm really looking for the whole pattern.  

Has anyone programmed the amen break or something similar?

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Good luck trying to emulate

Good luck trying to emulate the amen break in midi.  It can be done but probably not worth the time.  Even the heavy hitter DnB producers are still using sampled loops for the Amen but are mixing them with midi percussion hits to add a live flavor.

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DnB beats are just fast break

DnB beats are just fast break beats, pretty straight forward stuff. Checkout Ship of the Fens on my SoundCloud page for some lovely programmed breakbeat goodness!

I gave away 8 sets of drum loops a while back if I wasn't about to go on holiday I'd do a few more!

Jason's done a few nice DnB vibe tracks too, pretty sure he gave away the caustic file too.

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Here's something you can muck

Here's something you can muck about with. I put it all in one machine, but I suggest you spread stuff like this over several machines, process individual hits, then resample it as a break. 

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Take a break and chop it down

Take a break and chop it down to tempo-sync'd bites, load them up into PCMSynth and go make a whole new array of patterns. That's what I've done for my jungle/dnb grooves as heard on my SC

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Here ya go.

Here ya go.

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There's a few good PCM

There's a few good PCM presets too. They're in the presets area. (SURPRISE!)

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What is "the amen break?"

What is "the amen break?"

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Your into hip hop and you don

Your into hip hop and you don't know what the Amen break is? It happens to be the most sampled piece of music ever. NWA, Snoop, Dre, all those guys sampled it in the early 90's. A funk band called the Winstons had a song with a break beat in it named Amen Brother. There is a history vid on youtube that talks about it. Really interesting.

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The Amen break, one, is what

The Amen break, one, is what Richard D. James became obsessed with. Two, most drum & bass is based upon it. And, three, even the theme songs to Futurama & The Power Puff Girls utilize it.

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It's, literally, the glue

It's, literally, the glue that I use to meld different styles together.

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Here's an example or the Amen

Here's an example or the Amen break.

I put it in the snare drums.

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Drum and bass should be

Drum and bass should be anywhere between 170 and 180 BPM. The snare has to hit on the second beat, the kick, naturally on the first beat and somewhere between the second and third beat. Hats and shakers can go on every note or every other note but you have to automate some velocity change on the hats or it gets really noisy. II think it helps to layer your samples as well. For example on snare sample is not enough. Little break snippets are essential as well. BOYINABAND on YouTube has the definitive drum aand bass tutorials I think. I don't have any DNB finished yet but there's a lot of it accumulating in my caustic works in progress folder. DnB isn't like other EDM genres, you need a different mindset. You need to just mess around, turn off the quantize and bash on the keys and keep going forward without worrying about the mistakes.

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I've read about the amen

I've read about the amen break before, but this thread prompted me to read a bit more about it, it really is a fascinating subject. Anyway, I had a quick go at writing the break based on the notation found on Wikipedia - see attached Caustic file

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There is an article on the

There is an article on the amen break's waveform that shows it has relation to the Golden Ratio correlated to the human/natural symmetry.

This is not a leap of thought either since we are all born from the frequencies of the universe in "it's" reflection. It would be natural to think we respond to that very same pattern on an auditory level.

http://www.constructingtheuniverse.com/Amen%20Break%20and%20GR.html

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It's certainly intriguing

It's certainly intriguing stuff! That article is tempting me to delve further into 'amen break' and 'golden ratio' research though, and I must get back to work - have already spent too much time today Googling & following links(!)

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Weird article Mike, but it

Weird article Mike, but it makes sense.

I'm really enjoying my foray into DnB creations.  I think since I have been listening to rock/alternative for so long there is something about making DnB that fits my tastes better and makes it easier for me to write tracks.  There are many DnB tunes with heavy rock and metal influences which is awesome.   I have tried many different bpms but the 160-190 seems to work well for me.

Edgey, keep in mind you dont have to use an Amen break at all.  Just experiment with high hats and other percussion hits to get the groove you want.  There are no rules to this stuff.

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6 seconds. The Winstons'

6 seconds. The Winstons' "Amen Brother" with a simple drum break solo in the middle of the tune. A tightly tuned snare and room presence added to the intensity of the tone when sped up and jungle-ized....
http://singlecellsoftware.com/node/5718

Audio and SongFile you can peek at one of the ways how I do it
My SoundCloud track "Interlcation" shows one way you can chop up a break (in that tune, (Think tamborine solo, Do the Do, and Amen) and resequence the bites to make your own grooves.

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Trust me, i am no fanatic

Trust me, i am no fanatic when it comes stuff like this and I think some people take the whole "meaning of life" thing too far BUT I am also a programmer and mathematician and fully understand geometry(was a Land Surveyor), so this is not a leap by any bounds.

If I can recreate nature on a piece of paper by recording the distance and angles and their relationships to each other(from real world calculations), then this Golden ratio stuff is basically proven in my mind.

BTW, I can recreate nature's relationships with angles and distances, it's called a topography map. :)

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BTW, The golden ratio is just

BTW, The golden ratio is just a spiral and we all know spirals are everywhere. :)

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Note; I have done some

Note; I have done some research when i was investigating producing tracks, a lot of well know compositions use this naturally occurring sequences to drive their track transitions, something to play with for sure.

Say, if you knew how to tune a guitar because you knew the relationships between the string frequencies, wouldn't you use that natural releationship advantage to create pleasing sound?

Same goes for arranging a track, if you know there are naturally occurring "transitions" in life such as the Golden ratio, wouldn't you use that to tune your arrangement?

cheeky Or you can just throw shit at the wall and hope some sticks. cheeky

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Hey I must like flinging poo,

Hey I must like flinging poo, cuz I do it all the time! devil

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You know it was a joke, when

You know it was a joke, when i play my guitar and improvise, the walls are covered. :)

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The complete

The complete guide to music theory in under ten minutes by Dave from BoyInABand:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfyuIayZ_Cw

The meaning of life the universe and everything, also in explained in under ten minutes in a dubstep rap song by Dave of said band:

http://youtu.be/XRdh8gmVR90

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I've used the golden ratio,

I've used the golden ratio, in my illustrations, since the age of twelve. That's also the age I started generating fractals. Now, thirty-five years old, I see it in everything. Sometimes, it's annoying.

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I think I gain some IQ points

I think I gain some IQ points by reading this thread.

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Thanks guys. Lots of stuff to

Thanks guys. Lots of stuff to chew over.

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I know i got lil smarter

I know i got lil smarter cause regardless of what i say i know i knew nothing of what it was called. And i never was keen two keep up with what something was called but work on what i feel did i feel it. If i did it was a jam.

As i know several songs dat utilize this style of beat. But it matters really now what's really called two me. I guess two everybody else on the forum i'm being disrespectful by this notice. Ohhh well!!!

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Ohhh pi i heard the pyramid

Ohhh pi i heard the pyramid of Egypt use pi ((( somehow ))) in the molecular structure of the construction, of the openings, sound engineering design, as well placement of where on earth in relation two other pyramids and star alimentaries. The pyramid of giza is in harmony of "F#" figure all this out if this rhythmic pattern has gotten this. What else does it have a connection with.

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With the exception of four

With the exception of four tracks, two single sample challenges & two remastered older songs, EVERYTHING I've made in the past three months has the Amen and/or the Sesame Street break. The latter of which is often referred to as, "the thinker's break." It's better, I think, for slower DnB (>160bpm) and breakbeats. My newest favorite thing to do is to program it into the hi hat kit found in the Classic Drum Machines pack.

Also, edgey, there's examples of both breaks in the collaboration area. It's the electro/breaks post I made a few weeks ago.

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ION most hip hop beats around

ION most hip hop beats around 95 - 100 bpm automagically become drum and bass at 160 bpm or higher smiley

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its all about the perspective

its all about the perspective

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Come on!!!! How many

Come on!!!! How many different break beats are there if amen and sesame street gotta break beat. I wanna learn more!!!

Ooohh!!! The classic drum machine from sound blends is dope. Mr. Andy is not far from the truth.

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I'm bored and iced indoors.

I'm bored and iced indoors. This should be enough amen patterns to keep you busy for a day or two. They're all free kits that I've downloaded. But, I highly recommend the jungle and drum&bass packs from Jason. I use those sounds for most everything I make...except jungle and dnb.

Have fun.

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Other jungle dnb breaks that

Other jungle dnb breaks that work well

Think about it (all 4 parts plus shakers solo)
Do the do
Fools gold
Apache
....anything Clyde Stubblefield solo/break....
Get out of my life woman
Plastic jam
Sesame street
Inspiration (i think thats it or also called "mutant")
Hot pants

....and many more, all chopped up of course.

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Tip, you can load breaks and

Tip, you can load breaks and chopped loops into the Vocoder. The bottom six notes trigger the six clips. Notes above the  bottom six notes mute and unmute them so you can experiment with different note lengths and get really unpredictable results. Ill upload a demo to this thread at some point in the future.

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Two me, this is what pattern

Two me, this is what pattern saving is for get the idea down. And filter thru the orginal but keep the orginal separate. All these ideas of a break beat. Surely there is a way two tie all this in pattern saves from song sayes. Cause a break. Is just part of the pattern!!! But sooo many breaks make alot of songs dat could be kriss-cross up!! And never have the same beat the same.

But maybe idea of saving patterns u can load in song mode is a different machine slot. Idk but it does make since if the beatbox is already full of space and the features u would want two use for recycling a caustic file. Should be on a different machine slot. Idk!!!

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Better yet, chop the breaks

Better yet, chop the breaks into bites, and load them all into the PCMSynth..... several bites or phrases can cover an octave or more, depending on the complexity of the break in its original form..... having multiple kick and snare hits, and all the ghosts and cymbal and hat hits in between, can yield a much richer and lush groove for your track, than we had back in the 90's....

I advise against BeatBox for managing breaks and/or bites from them for your song project.....

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Ohhh ok ok ok!!! Your idea is

Ohhh ok ok ok!!! Your idea is pretty sound mr.caustic troll just, ok how do u re-sample what u make from another machine??? I might be getting rusty cause i got watch more tutorials ohhhh ratz ass!!!!!

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Ok i guess from the videos i've watched. And what i have gathered of the pcmsynth. It does more input samples but u just trolled my thoughts and u gave me huge-ass puzzle i can't figure out!!!!

As i mean input recording samples or import/ export...... samples r u saying u can export a bb break. And load in pcm get rid of the orginal bb. And clearly start over with a fri bb and just have bussed down two the pcm.

Is this what u saying???

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I just experimented with

I just experimented with resampling a beatbox. I gotta say we don't need more machines. Cause well, if u can combine two machines and make it a sample file. Well then dammmmmmm!!!!! Depending on how good of a sample shit fungus turds!!!! This is really unlimited!!! But my question really is is there enuff two tutorials for what all u can dp?? I wanna say no. Not with this app. Cause its really mind-blowing.

heyy thanx Mr.Jason aka caustic troll

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The export down two a caustic

The export down two a caustic loop is good but will be better once 3.2. Has stereo. Cause its like bussing down. But only for loop sooo i guess for drum and bass heads it could work two actually get the basic idea down. But....... and sample it. But dat opens the door two soooo much more. I'm lost in a good way.

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I agree that we need slots,

I agree that we need slots, say two more to make an even sixteen. Beter yet, unlimited Midi tracks per instrument slot, (ie for layering parts). I'm also in agreement about saving and loading patterns but I dont see how it's possible in the way that Caustic is set up. The work around is to save song files with your preferred set ups and fill it up with recyclable patterns. You can then render them into loops and load them into a PCM or a Beatbox in another project. If you want you can fill up an sampler with loops and save it as a preset. Youre only limited by your imagination. Bottom line, An instrument like the PCM can hold as many as sixty loops, playing 8 simultaneously, do the math with a few PCM samplers, your up in the hundreds for holding patterns.

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Mutant Jazz?

Mutant Jazz?

Jeamland, by B.L.I.M., is onThere'sy old favorites.  I've an old double-disc set called Drum and Bass on a Jazz Tip.  There's a song by The Invisible Man, called The Sax Tune, on it.  Best song in the, Cartel Records, release.  Walk This Land was also on it.

 

I have your dnb and jungle kits broken, down all sorts of ways, and saved.  Similar to the amenfree file I uploaded.  But, those kits were free and you have a family to support.  It's not that your sound packs are expensive.

 

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This is what can be done with

This is what can be done with two beatboxes (one amen break and one basic "boots and cats" beat) and four pcm's (the troll's jungle, dnb, pkdance, and 808bass hold presets. Obviously; there's a couple of special effects used.

Think about this: the opening congo sequence goes up four octaves. Then, about halfway through, there's kind of a break. The creepy background sound is the same sequence. Just four octaves lower than the opening.

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It's not much, but something

It's not much, but something to gain an understanding of how I set it up...... grab a few free sounds, it's all good.

 

 

 

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this amen free break???

This amenfree break?? Is slicky sick Andy nice work.

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Jason: I thunk that's the

Jason: I thunk that's the kit above the bongos, right? Thanks! Loading the big kit results in Ill Tempered sequences. Now, I can do what I've been trying to do. Something smooth and jazzy. Kind of like Anticibreaktion. But, significantly less complicated. A tambourine kit, that sounds good at high bpm, is what was needed.

Derrtblu: Thanks. Forgot about downlading that last kit and threw it in to fill up the slots. Yeah, that's the one. Add special effects. Want a drumroll with little effort and no more sequencing? Slap a delay down, turn the time all the way down, set it to stereo, flick it up two notches, and back down. Try an auto wah mixed with a cabinet simulator. Copy and paste sequence sections. Use foldback distortion on some and flange it on others. Wire up a modular slave. Surprise yourself.

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Apologies for dredging up an

Apologies for dredging up an old thread, but I thought that this video of a new AMEN break VST belonged here.  

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