a great idea... a little too random/chaotic for me to deal with though (and i like mental shit too)
but, yeh, am a fan of the first half of the amen break (the more funk/break-hop part, rather than the little snsip towards the end of the break that the jungle dudes used to use)
i'm have a try n see what i can come up with.
The usual, deconstructed into single drum hits and made into over 40 original variations. Even the first 4 measures are sequenced individual hits although it sounds identical to the original recording. All other instruments programmed except guitar, played "live".
For those not familiar, this little exercise is based on the Amen Break:
Hi SToons. Fascinating to look at your Caustic file. I'm particularly interested in how you have managed the Amen Break samples in the PCMSynth. I note that pattern A1 is fact 12 very short samples assigned to individual root notes. Did you do this manually? I wonder about how you would ensure the correct timing between each sample in the pattern to ensure it patches the original recording? Is this the standard way to manage a live drum break to chop it up so finely? I'm totally new to sampling as you might have guessed. Thanks for any thoughts you can share. Dan
(i'm always happy just running the first few bars of Amen as is as i like it.
i just fart around with how i do or don't filter it to suit what i am using it for.
One of my fave uses of the same section or the break i mean is, i think, the opening track of Transgolbal Undergrounds ''Dream Of 100 Nations Lp, called ''shimmer'', which just slowed the first couple of bars and mixed them in very finely.
and NWA/Public enemies use of same.
for me, yes, i see the concept of chopping a fmous drum groove up.
But tend not to bother beyond just using sections of it or others as straight forward sample loops
i tend to use up to seven channels of drum machine, occasionally slot own drum/perc into PCM and so on,
But rarely bother fine chopping individual sample for use (though have done, and enjoyed), but for now i'm prefering using the beatbox noises in Caustic, showving them thru Ableton, filtering them to get something fun and good to listen to.
then save them, and can always go back and chop and make a whole peice by l;oading up pcm 3, 4, 5, 6, or how ever many channels make up the polyrhtym.
But, yes, i see the point of building a ''pallette'' of well known historic kits.
@deekinstow Sorry for the late response but have been otherwise preoccupied with daily nonsense.
The great but overwhelming answer is that there is no particular "standard way" to approach remixing drums. So I'll approach this from a few commonly used angles. I'm half tempted to put the full responses in Tips And Tricks.
If there were a most common approach I would say that sadly it's to cut the loop into an exact length and throw the it into software that can simply loop it, transpose it and automatically stretch it to match tempo. This has become very common, most DAWs now have similiar features built - in.
Back in '94 Steinberg released a pretty revolutionary piece of software called ReCycle that could sense the transients, essentially where each drum hit starts, and it would chop the loop into individual hits.
There are also ways to leave the loop intact and change the playback position. There's a brief intro to that here:
a great idea... a little too random/chaotic for me to deal with though (and i like mental shit too)
but, yeh, am a fan of the first half of the amen break (the more funk/break-hop part, rather than the little snsip towards the end of the break that the jungle dudes used to use)
i'm have a try n see what i can come up with.
Originally posted a few months back.
https://soundcloud.com/stoons-1/amenst
The usual, deconstructed into single drum hits and made into over 40 original variations. Even the first 4 measures are sequenced individual hits although it sounds identical to the original recording. All other instruments programmed except guitar, played "live".
For those not familiar, this little exercise is based on the Amen Break:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amen_break
Caustic Song file (optional):
https://soundcloud.com/stoons-1
Hi SToons. Fascinating to look at your Caustic file. I'm particularly interested in how you have managed the Amen Break samples in the PCMSynth. I note that pattern A1 is fact 12 very short samples assigned to individual root notes. Did you do this manually? I wonder about how you would ensure the correct timing between each sample in the pattern to ensure it patches the original recording? Is this the standard way to manage a live drum break to chop it up so finely? I'm totally new to sampling as you might have guessed. Thanks for any thoughts you can share. Dan
(i'm always happy just running the first few bars of Amen as is as i like it.
i just fart around with how i do or don't filter it to suit what i am using it for.
One of my fave uses of the same section or the break i mean is, i think, the opening track of Transgolbal Undergrounds ''Dream Of 100 Nations Lp, called ''shimmer'', which just slowed the first couple of bars and mixed them in very finely.
and NWA/Public enemies use of same.
for me, yes, i see the concept of chopping a fmous drum groove up.
But tend not to bother beyond just using sections of it or others as straight forward sample loops
i tend to use up to seven channels of drum machine, occasionally slot own drum/perc into PCM and so on,
But rarely bother fine chopping individual sample for use (though have done, and enjoyed), but for now i'm prefering using the beatbox noises in Caustic, showving them thru Ableton, filtering them to get something fun and good to listen to.
then save them, and can always go back and chop and make a whole peice by l;oading up pcm 3, 4, 5, 6, or how ever many channels make up the polyrhtym.
But, yes, i see the point of building a ''pallette'' of well known historic kits.
@deekinstow Sorry for the late response but have been otherwise preoccupied with daily nonsense.
The great but overwhelming answer is that there is no particular "standard way" to approach remixing drums. So I'll approach this from a few commonly used angles. I'm half tempted to put the full responses in Tips And Tricks.
If there were a most common approach I would say that sadly it's to cut the loop into an exact length and throw the it into software that can simply loop it, transpose it and automatically stretch it to match tempo. This has become very common, most DAWs now have similiar features built - in.
Back in '94 Steinberg released a pretty revolutionary piece of software called ReCycle that could sense the transients, essentially where each drum hit starts, and it would chop the loop into individual hits.
There are also ways to leave the loop intact and change the playback position. There's a brief intro to that here:
https://singlecellsoftware.com/node/17841
Will get on this soon and post some examples in Tips And Tricks section. Questions are always good, helps me focus the discussion.
https://soundcloud.com/stoons-1
Your reply is much appreciated.
Dan
https://singlecellsoftware.com/node/8328
https://singlecellsoftware.com/node/7837
These post r a bit ol' skool of before the sawsynth was added. But even then this topic had something two study from.
I did a 1 hour challenge on ST's amen track and did a Lazerwound jam on itDL'd at 17:36, uploading at 18:27 ;)
Caustic Song file (optional):