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Fudgetusk
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How to make the vocality app sounds like in these tracks?

I don't really like to add robotic sound to all my tracks. I know that if I change the dry knob up and the character control all down then I get clean sound without robot in the vocoder, but in this case when I hit the keys on the piano the sound is the same on c3 c#3 d3 d#3 and so on. In pcmsynth the problem is that down from c4 it slows down the pitch and up from c4 it speeds it up, so it also not good. I wonder how these caustic users did this nice vocal sounds.
Example 1: https://singlecellsoftware.com/node/1558
Example 2: https://singlecellsoftware.com/node/13959

Fudgetusk
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Especially the vocal in

Especially the vocal in "Happy birthday to me" sounds so good, but I don't know how it was made.

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Any help?

Any help?

SToons Music
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When you use the Vocoder to

When you use the Vocoder to shift the pitch, it will not affect the Dry sound. The only viable option I've found is to try and make the Vocoder effect less robotic sounding.

Here is an example:
https://soundcloud.com/stoons-1/stoons-music-wickedgame-beta

If you feel this is adequate for what you desire then let me know and I'll explain how I did it and post an example Caustic file. If you don't really like the sound there's probably no point in spending the time.

Cheers!

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Thank you. It sounds good.

Thank you. It sounds good. Can you post the caustic file please?

SToons Music
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Here's an example, a little

Here's a little piece of "Dream On" by Aerosmith. If you have any questions about it feel free to ask.

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Fudgetusk
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Thanks. I never changed the

Thanks. I never changed the polyphony from 8 to 1 before, and I never used the glide. It sounds melodic. Now I completely understand how the vocoder works.

SToons Music
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Awesome, don't forget to play

Awesome, don't forget to play with the Sub, Unison and Character, those also help a little with expression. Enjoy!

Fudgetusk
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@SToons Music My sample

@SToons Music My sample sounds more like a talk than a sing why? Your "0 Sing" file sounds awesome but my is not good. Am I did something wrong?

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SToons Music
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Had a quick peek; a little

Had a quick peek; a little Green Day? I'll try to slap something together later to explain how I might personally approach this one.

Fudgetusk
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Yes, it's from Green Day -

Yes, it's from Green Day - "Oh Yeah!" Thank you for the help.

SToons Music
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First off, I noticed you

First off, I noticed you loaded a wav file in the vocoder as opposed to feeding it with the PCM.

Personally I find it much easier to use the PCM. I also like to have some basic tracks going so the tempo and feel is in my head before adding vocals. I click on the Sample button then press and hold the Level button to bring up the wave editor. I load Vocality from the editor.

With the basic tempo now established I type in a single phrase and adjust the Speed to match the rhythm. This is where it's tricky. Sometimes it's necessary to add a period for space. Some words simply won't give the desired result.

For example, to achieve the results I wanted I had to type "I'm in the crowd. Full of ane" for the first phrase. After that I clicked Export and assigned that to C4.

On the PCM switched to sample 2 and went thru the same process. However "gels and demons" sounded horrid but "jilsand dee. mons" worked much better. Exported back to the editor and selected only the word "dee" then used the Time/Pitch option to stretch it out much longer.

Other examples I had to use:
Instead of "I'm looking out for the jingos and heathens" had to use "I'm lookin' out. 4 the gin. Goes and heathens". The word four didn't work well, it bled way too quickly into 'the'. Billy Jo phrases the word jingo like jin-pause-go. To achieve this I needed a period where the pause occurs, "jin.go". That didn't work as Vocality didn't replicate "jin", it sounded like "zhin". However "gin.go" worked.

Also had to select the "hea" section of "heathens" after Export and stretch it as well.

This approach may seem more complicated at first but it's really just spending some time, once you get familiar with the process it's pretty easy and you'll find creative ways to get closer to the results you want. It also allows for much easier editing of the phrases or words, or even parts of a word like just the vowel, if necessary.

There's an attached example file. I'll try to post some other tips and tricks about this later.

Hope this helps.

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Thanks so much for the tip. I

Thanks so much for the tip. I check out your project file.