I can't seem to open the song files of others shared on this site.. I remember opening one a long time ago.. but now they won't load.. I put the .caustic file in with the rest of my songs in the same library... help
Opening other peoples song files?
I got it.. had to update to 3.2
3.2 is not yet released. It's a beta for testing purpose, don't forget it.
So for crap's sake, why do you people keep posting .caustic files that can't be opened by those of us not testing the beta?
...yeah, I said "you people". I went there.
Lol
Next beta testing session in the future should be a closed event, this round this year has gotten way out of control in so many ways, no wonder it's taking so long to get to the RC stage of the game....... This process has been such a logistical nightmare.
Rej should start charging for beta for future promotion of 3.2 . It serms like evey body has it now and i ll take some of the blame for the youtube side but the surprise factor is gone and it looks like he not getting nothing in return
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Yeah I agree, the beta has been used way too early by way too many people.
The problem I just like many people can't test a beta without actually working with it. So I started writing my songs with it. That makes sense to me, because that's exactly the purpose it should be tested for. But you should never should upload a beta song file. I don't know if it's possible to block caustic beta files from upload, I guess it would just make more work for Rej (and mike). So it's basically up to the community, and I think this phase has shown many don't know how to handle a beta testing phase. So I guess the next beta should be closed and just open for a small fraction of reliable beta testers. Sure, it might take a little longer, but it's a lot less of a mess.
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Well, his app updates have always been free, so even after the RC stage, and it officially goes live from GPS and iOS, it will be free for all.....
But I agree, at some point, a small modest fee could be a fair deal to continue to support the app for serious users. I would gladly contribute myself. We have been given quite a steal of a deal of what we have here right now....
I would be more than happy to pay too. I feel that I owe Rej (and Mike & Jason) more than I´ve been charged.
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Not to play devil's advocate here, but with all of the disadvantages of free open beta testing, there are obvious huge advantages. I might even go as far as to say you could look at some of the disadvantages themselves as advantages. And I'm not saying I wouldn't pay, I absolutely would. But with regards to posting beta files. On the one hand I get why it's frustrating for those who don't have the beta installed. Maybe a solution would be to restrict all posting of caustic files during testing to one area of the forum and for specific purposes relevant to testing...but on the other hand, if we're talking about people stumbling onto caustic and not being able to open files... wouldn't this just eventually motivate them to get the beta there by accelerating the testing process and also ensuring more sales? I feel like I'm talking like a politician lol. I'm just saying there might be other ways to look at it.
This would be Rej's call, but I think there may be a diminishing return on an ever increasing number of beta users. I'm not sure they are all really "testers" but just want to play with new stuff. I would want experienced Caustic users, committed to pushing all the limits and reporting back in an appropriate way. I also think that the idea of a side forum for beta show-and-tell might have been worthwhile but not now if the OR is imminent.
Knowing I was not going to be able to be a good "tester" and still having plenty to learn on 3.1, I decided to wait for the release and I've learned to accept that I will not be able to open most of the .caustic files being posted these days.
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Well as far as being a good tester goes... while there's nothing wrong with sticking to a stable version, you don't necessarily have to "look" for issues to find them. Not that they are that prevelant that they just jump out at you, but you report them as you encounter them. Having heard some of your music, I know that if I can do that, surely you can. So far I stumbled accidentally on an issue with tempo settings that was fixed. And recently an issue with the mastering app that is being looked into. And I have no clue how to master! Lol. And I'm not saying you should get the beta, I'm just giving my take on it.
Also in the betas there are obviously new features. Testing those new features can inspire new feature requests. So it doesn't even have to be about finding bugs. The way I look at it, there's no donate button, and if rej is willing to put the betas up for free all in the name of making the app better, then if I can contribute in even just the tiniest way I'd be glad to.
All good points, Uncle. I'm just saying there may be a point of diminishing return with an ever-increasing pool of beta testers. 3 is not enough but 300 doesn't necessarily give you 100X the return in finding bugs. With limited time resources, I would rather keep learning what I can with 3.1.
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"So for crap's sake, why do you people keep posting .caustic files that can't be opened by those of us not testing the beta? "..
da.. And why do birds fly when so many animals don't even get wings ?
And why do we talk in rnglish when some people didn't learn this language ?
And why do we post our songs when some people have never heard of Caustic ?
and even, some are deaf..
In the 1980s, I was buying, monthly, "Guitare et Claviers"..
Each month, 10 patches for Yamahe DX7.. Why, when some people had made the choice to buy a (shitty, btw) Korg Poly 800 ??
And even, if I clearly remember, never a single patch for Roland JX8P..
I made the choice to try caustic 3.2 beta.. I'm not the only one..
Some people decided to stick on the official 3.1 release.. They made their choice..
Should we not talk about the 3.2 features ?? Should we not publish skins made for 3.2 ? Should we hide our musical creations just because they use the SAWsynth or a 5/4 beat ??
Sorry but.. If I had made the opposite choice, and decided to stick on 3.1, I would not complain when some 3.2 users would post their song..
Just like I sticked to Microsoft Word 6 for ages, and did not complain when someone sent me a poem written with Word 2000, and I could not open it..
You want a secret ?
hush.. don't tell the whole world, but.. It's possible to have both Caustic 3.1 official, and Caustic 3.2 beta, on the same computer..
But I already hear your answer.. Some people don't even have a computer.. And then they will complain again and again..
Da.. Sigur..
Knob.
(Miserable answer...)
Anyway.. As you like.. But I will not feel ashamed..
I simply hope that, when Caustic 3.2 is finally released, you will make a post to publicly thank all those 3.2 testers (Ie, those you call "knobs") who helped Rej making you an improved version of your favorite musical tool, and in this post, I hope you will publicly apologize for insulting them during the beta phase..
I'm not pleading for myself.. I can't have the pride of being a fervent helper, as I did not report much bugs until now.. But what I'm sure of, is that the "non-knobs" didn't help at all, as they tested nothing.. They just wait for the work to be done..
On my side, I didn't decide to be stuck to constant tempo 4/4 beats.. SO I decided to use the tool which offers more musical options.. And as a bonus, I have been happy to use the "merge rack" function..
Some other "knobs" are happy to test and use the "stereo samples".. Or the different scales, maybe..
You made another choice, and I respect it.. I don't insult you, and beta testers don't insult you as well.. That doesn't mean that people using 3.2 must hide their creations, and should not be allowed to share their files.. If you can't use them now, you'll (maybe) be glad to use them when the official 3.2 release is done..
It happened that my beta version crashed, and I lost my creation, or part of it.. But I accepted the risk, and I don't regret it..
Now you can answer by a single word insult if you want..
Have a nice evening.. or night.. or day.. or whatever..
I'm sorry, but I disagree on this. The Caustic 3.2beta was published for testing purpose and should be treated that way. A user who doesn't want to get involved in the development process shouldn't be forced to do so. Most people here have bought Caustic to make music and not to help its development. Most of them are, as a matter of fact, consumers. For the period of the testing this forum basically got unusable for all of those users. Maybe some don't want to sign up for an iOS testing phase which could possibly break their song files? Maybe some of them just don't care about the development process and are here for the music and the community? Just like you I accepted the risk and started using the beta on my computer, but I can fully understand people who do not want to do this.
And just like you said. You can install both 3.1 and 3.2beta on your computer, but then the question is why you upload test stage files? I mean, you could at least make the presets 3.1 compatible. I have respect for those people who publish their song files, and if they want to do so they can do it in whatever version they want to, but uploading 3.1 incompatible files in help forums is in my opinion a no-go as it should help every user who visits the site, even if he is new and not yet interested in engaging in the testing process.
I also don't think Rej needs to thank anybody here, that doesn't make any sense. We're talking about a free update here, right? A free update, in which Rej definitely invested more time than even most of the active beta testers combined? Sure, many active beta testers have done a good job bringing Caustic to its limits and reporting problems, but it should be us who thank them, not Rej.
Anyway, have a nice evening/day too! :)
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I agree with you, Alpha.. Did I not say "You made another choice, and I respect it.." ?
But one, that will not allow 3.1 stucked people to insult the 3.2 testers.. ("knobs")
ANd second.. Publishing our songs made with 3.2 never forces the 3.1 users to upgrade if they don't want to..
I recently understood that the files made with 3.2, even if they don't use the SAWsynth of the new features, were not usable in 3.1.. So, some of my files, which I uploaded in "content packs" will not be available to 3.1 users.. That was a mistake of my own, I might try to correct it when I have time..
But I have read, several times, "It's not all about you, it's also about Caustic".. I agree 100% with that phrase.. And as I said above, I'm not really proud as I didn't report any bug, for now.. In that way, I'm not a real tester..
But I also want to say" it's also not all about caustic, it's also about us".. And even the most active beta testers take time making music, and if they only have one cell phone, and use 3.2, they should not talk about their creations ? No way..
(btw, skins for Caustic 3.2 are not compatible with 3.1; for at least one detail ; the area which was used for the buttons of the PCM synth is now used for the buttons and knobs of the SAWsynth... SO Skins for 3.2 should also be forbidden ?)
Once again, when I don't decide to upgrade, whatever my reasons could be (financial, or risk, or whatever), I accept the fact that some people have decided to upgrade, and then they have access to options that I refused.. I read the post, I see that this is something not available to me, because of my choice, and I don't complain..
And last.. I didn't say that Rej has to thank anyone.. I was answering to Steph, who insults beta testers.. I hope he will be more respectful, he'd better be grateful, rather than unpolite with the people who help improving Caustic..
I hate getting in the middle of this stuff but I am pretty sure you can bank on this cluster $%^& not happening again.
It would be very easy to set the forum up with a tester role and have a closed beta(hidden forum), if Rej hasn't thought about this I might suggest it to him if he goes for another release in the future.
As far as I am concerned I cannot stand the fact there are 100's of beta files tacked on normal posts, it shouldn't of happened.
Basically iOS is closed beta because of crashlytics and I could do the same for Rej with Android.
@mike:
Yeah, I think that would be a good idea. On these forums 3.2 basically became the active Caustic version way before the real release. I was already confused that the beta forums are visible for everyone but unregistered users. Would be great, if you could do this for Rej for future releases.
@opus.quatre:
I got that part with the thanking wrong, sorry for that. I think the problem is that the beta build has become the standard version of caustic of version on these forums. You say all users have the choice to use 3.1, but I think that's just upside down. Not the default user who is uninterested in development should need to make the choice to use 3.1, but those who are interested should actively decide to help on the new version. How can a user who just got started with Caustic decide about whether or not to use the beta when he never heard of it before? That doesn't really make sense to me.
I think the real problem in my opinion though is that there's a choice for everyone, if there would still only be 3.1 and the beta was limited to a few, noone would complain about that. So I hope that works better for future updates.
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@Mike
You're right when you talk about those "help files" or "content packs", and i confessed my error on that point when I published or shared presets included in a 3.2 song..
But when it concerns our musical creations, then why should we not be allowed to share it ??i sn't it what we use caustic for ??
Ok ok.. I just finished a 7/4 song.. A composition started in the late 1980s and left aside for years.. Thanx to caustic 3.2, and of course, not 3.1, I've been able to continue and record it.. I published it on my soundcloud.. Should I decide to not share it with caustic users, when I share it with the rest of the world ??
Ok ok.. H will share it with you when 3.2 is officially released.. This way I won't get insulted by a 3.1 user..
Community, that's the word we used ??
But if 3.2 wouldn't have been out publicly before, you wouldn't have written said song yet. Same applies to any content packs and help files which are the main concern here. If the beta wouldn't have been out yet, we wouldn't have had all of those problems and the final update would be released a lot earlier I guess. You'd still be able to be creative with 3.1 and as creativity is not a measurable unit, I don't think you can say you'd be "more creative" if you'd be able to access new features earlier.
And yeah, I think as long as it is on these forums, you should wait with uploading your song file until 3.2 is officially released.
Additionally I think it's unfair to project one insult you got onto all 3.1 users ("potential 3.2 user insulters"), and I'd like to ask you to step down your tone just a little please. Thank you :)
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Ok.. I'll résumé trip way: Steph, and not all 3.1 users.. Only Steph.. Only Steph.. Insults 3.2 users.. Ask him to "step down his tone"..
And just for info.. As soon as I discovered caustic 3.1, i told about it to both of my sons.. The only reproach I had to say was "time signatures".. Now, Caustic 3.2 offers a (still limited, but) wider range of time signatures, and this mate it a more powerful instrument..
Sure, we can still compose nice tunes in 4/4.. Sure.. But mainly for this feature, i would not go back to 3.1..
Ok..I will not publish my 7/40baby.. I call that a censor, simply.. Have a good time..
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Well, if it had been a closed beta, you could've written your song two months later and told your sons two months later. There's basically no reason to release a beta build to everyone, then you could just release it as the update directly. If you take the features of the beta as granted before the update even was released, the beta missed its purpose. You can still publish your 7/4 song file, but you can't expect us to approve. And if mike would build in a block for 3.2beta files, that wouldn't be censorship, that would be website and community management. Singlecellsoftware's website, Singlecellsoftware's rules.
And about the steph thing:
Then please refer to him and not just everyone.
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I didn't want to point the finger to Steph.. By respect for him, even if he doesn't show much respect to others..
By doing this, it seems that I have been ambiguous, iI apologise.. H didn't mean to put all the 3.1 users in the same bag, as we say in French..
Now, when I'm allowed to share only parts of my tune, i call that censorship.
I will publish my songs on soundcloud and not here.. Music for me, is a sacred thing, and comes first.. Au least, it comes before this sterile discussion about "should Steve Hackett be allowed or not, to publishmusic played on a LesPaul guitar, when some people didn't make the choice to buy one ??"
Wow! Do we have a right to share music on this site? I more would have thought it was a benevolence given to us by the owner of the site. Censorship? Are you kidding?
I refuse to answer to your silly false analogies.
Alpha Yui has already said the rest of what I would say.
It was Rej's wish that beta-created files not be shared in the S&T forum. You are disrespecting him.
(leaving this thread)
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An apology? Check the temperature in Hell first.
For the people actually beta-testing for Rej, running the program through its paces and reporting issues, I got nothing but respect.
For the people with no interest in providing useful feedback, grabbing it just to start using the new features right away, and posting files that those of us waiting for a stable release can't use... no apologies.
To make a comparison like "should Steve Hackett not be allowed to make music with a Les Paul just because you don't have one" is spurious and disingenuous. And you still wonder why I call you a knob.
I undertamd my error..
I thought that the rule " keep it clean, no personal attacks. I reserve the right to moderate this as needed, but please don't make me..." woukd apply to the whole forum, but I've just checked, and it only applies to the "off topic" subforum.. So here, Steph is allowed to insult other users.. I should not reproch him..
Anyway.. H can't see what those insults bring to the community..
Come on Steph.. There are many ways to bring something to caustic, and to the community.. Not only by reporting bugs..
By drawing skins..
By sharing presets..
By sharing ideas about how to use this feature or this one..
By proposing improvements.. (the f"featurerequests" subforum should maybe be renamed "improvement propositions".. It's a different philosophy..)
By answering to people's question, giving advices, etc..
H have the feeling that I do it, in my own way, by providing presets, skins, and sometimes answering to user's questions.. (whenever h can)..
Same for you.. You are not useless in this community.. I've seen you, more than once, giving advices to people, answering their questions, giving your opinion..
I also have heard of your chapman skin preset.. Maybe some other presets, but I'm only aware of this one..
Your choice is to stay on the official release..
My choice is is different..
Both are valid.. Both are respectable..
In the "who are you ??"thread, you wrote that you would like caustic to be able to manage different time signatures, and variable tempi.. I'm surprised that you stick on the 3.1 version, knowing that there features are available when you use 3.2.. But please don't take it wrong :I just said that I'm surprised, i didn't say you were wrong..
It still is your choice..
My choice is different, and now my 7/4 t une exists and I'm happy with that..
I still don't approve this "verbotten" when it comes to publishing on this forum, songs that would have been made with caustic 3.2.. Even if this decision would come from God itself, i would not approve it..
I'll never be a good little soldier.. Sorry
But in the end, I'm still proud of being able to argue, and to not limit my reply to a insult..
And just to clarify a few details..
What have been called "new features" are.. New on Caustic.. But out of caustic..how new are they ??
Time signatures: in 1988, my Ensoniq ESQ'1 was already able to different time signatures.. I even had programmed a nice 13/8 sequence on my Roland MC202, a few years before.. And even before that, the famous TR606 could play patterns from 1/16 to 4/4.. This feature was missing on Caustic 3.1, the forthcoming 3.2 simply corrects this lack..
Variable tempi : gypsy music has been using rhythm accelerations for centuries.. And classical musicians use decelerations, at the final of a tune, more often than we think.. And back in the 1980s (again) my Yamaha QX5 sequencer was able to manage tempo changes.. Same as above, this is not a true "new feature", but a lack that has been fixed..
@opus Rej wrote that and it implies the whole forum.
You may have noticed Rej is not around much right now, so he is not moderating and I am sure he doesn't have time for these cat fights.
So, that leaves me as the "other" moderator. I know for a fact you two are adults, I'm not going to step in and say anything when there are two regular forum users fiercely debating something like you have been.
I already chimed in above.
The only thing I view as a personal attack from a moderator point of view is Steph's use of the work "knob". Yeah, it could be view as a derogatory comment but in light of his frustration about the rules being broken and no body seeming to care about the true implications of those rules broken, I choose to say nothing because other than banning both your ip addresses, what am I going to say to tow verified adults?
Unless somebody starts getting really wicked I won't say anything else on this thread either.
Ok Mike.. I truly understand..
But just one thing.. I dont know where the rule "dont upload any file.made with a beta version" is.written.. I suppose it is, but i dont see it.. But several times, I've uploaded content packs that I made,using the beta 3.2 version, and noone ever told me it was not allowed.. And noone never told me that those files were not openable with the 3.1 version.. Now that I know it, I'll be careful..
That is.. When it concerns content packs or "help.files"..
Now,when it concerns my music, i wont accept any limitation.. If I'm not allowed.to."show and tell" any of my tune, just because I use the beta version, then I will publish none.. (I talk.in terms.of ogg or mp3, not in terms of caustic.file)..
@opus That is the problem, Rej said this in prior beta tests and didn't say it this time. There have been regulars, I probably could name them all by memory that remember reading this but it was an oversight by both Rej and I.
Yeah soundcloud links work great.
Files don't upload.. I confirm.. But links to soundcloud still work..
You persist in missing the point.
F this; I'm out.
I use 3.1 on my Mac, but betas on div. Android units.
I have been thinking a little about the bug reports from me or lack thereof.
My experiences with the different betas is the same I read about here (some of the issues), but I don´t have the knowledge and the language to report it correctly. My best help is to stay put. Believe me, my lack of bug reports is no big loss!
I refuse to be ashamed of being on a novice level technically, in fact I claim the right to be so.
Like Steph I have felt frustration the times I forgot that the beta files is not compatible with the 3.1. But I have had much fun with the beta uploads too, and learned from them (thanks for helping me learning something! <3 ).
). We have our discussions, but remain friends.
For the record, in my eyes Steph is a good guy. He just likes to discuss, stir in the hornets´ nest, and sometimes teasing, which of course makes me mad, sometimes (and he knows it,
And over the years he has contributed to this community by making and sharing nice presets, encouraging others to make music, been supportive, asked useful questions. I know this, because we "grew up" here together.
I don´t think he counts his contributions either. (This contribution thing is not a competition, is it?)
Soooo... relax, in 100 years we´ll all have a good laugh about this.
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Thanx Britt.. With other words, you express what I was meaning when I said that there are different ways to contribute to Caustic and to the community.. I don't doubt what you say about Steph's contribution, and i said it too..
But.. Just one thing.. Are we really force to wait a complete hundred years before laughing ??
I just don't wanna have to be kissed by a charming prince..
Oh, okay Opus, maybe a frog comes along to kiss you!
(Yes I´m over-tired now.)
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