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The Telltale Silence
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Mimicking FM algorithm in modular

I am trying to emulate both the subsynth and the FM Synth in the modular, to learn more about the nuts and bolts of Synthesis. The only algorithm in the FM Synth I am unsure of how to recreate is the one where operators 2 and 3 modulate operator 1. Would I plug 2 separate WFG's into a mixer, and then output the mix to the FM on a third WFG. Essentially modulating a single operator by two separate independent operators. Will this do what I think it will?

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Yes, summing the signals

Yes, summing the signals with a mixer would be correct.

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Hmmmm

Hmmmm

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Thanks rej.

Thanks rej.

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Ok, one more I can't figure

Ok, one more I can't figure out. The phase knob on the subsynth.

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I think if you run the

I think if you run the control and/or note signals through a lag processor before they hit the second waveform of your subsynth clone, you will be getting close. I could definitely be wrong, but thats my guess.

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Sweet tips guys!! I made a

Sweet tips guys!! I made a nice synth last night after reading this :)

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Interesting.

Interesting.

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Er. The lag processor won't

Er. The lag processor won't change the phase of an ocillator. That's something unique to the subsynth right now.

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my bad folks! would using an

my bad folks! would using an lfo modulated pulse to sync a waveform generator be close? if nothing else, it sounds fun to try...

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I tried the lag processor

I tried the lag processor earlier. I could not get it to work. Not sure if that's cause it wont or I am not doing it right. But the hard sync idea sounds promising, even if it doesn't work for phase shifting, it might yield awesome results!

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definitely makes things

definitely makes things interesting. check out this mess of wires.

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You'd need a tiny delay to

You'd need a tiny delay to mimic the phase knob. I don't think it can be done.

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Er, I don't know if this will

Er, I don't know if this will help you much or not, but it just so happens that I was playing with the Modular earlier trying to make some guitar sounds (theres this one in particular which I'm pretty sure requires a 4-op FM, and the FMSynth is only 3-op so i turned to the Modular) and I managed to make this pretty interesting preset that sort of sounds like the sound is being put through  a phaser... IDK if that's what kind of phasing you want... but oh well, it sounds cool, so here it is anyway!

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Also, Rej, how would i go

Also, Rej, how would i go about adding a description to a track I've completed? I have one done that I want to upload, but I want to add a few first...

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@Rektafire

@Rektafire

If you're using Windows: http://www.singlecellsoftware.com/node/2134

And Mike did one for Android:http://www.singlecellsoftware.com/node/3418

 

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Doh. Happy to retract my

Doh. Happy to retract my previous statement. Mix 2 wave generators set to the same wave. Run an lfo into the FM input (which is really phase modulation) of one of them. To keep it static, use an AR envelope instead of the lfo and adjust it's output level. Though that's not too good for sounds with a long volume release.

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There's a better way here.

There's a better way here. The 2>1 mixer output (bottom right) is the phase control knob.

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Paulovski, I am going to

Paulovski, I am going to download that and play with it soon.  I'll have the time this weekend.  Does it work? If it does, hats off to you for being awesome!

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The thing with the FM pair in

The thing with the FM pair in the Modular is that , as Paulovski pointed out, it is not FM... It is PM.  As you have done, I spent a lot of time making "FM" Modular presets and wondering why I couldn't get some things right before I was tipped off, by Paulovski . Not to say your work isn't cool, just a heads up.