Wow. Awesome track. Sounds a lot like early Pink Floyd. Not that i feel qualified at all to make a suggestion, but maybe if you cut a little off the mid and treble on the drums or even lower the volume on them a little it would sound more authentic? Otherwise it sounds perfect to me.
You succeeded because I listened on SoundCloud without reading any tags or reading this post and my SC comment described it as a nice, retro, rock feel. Distorted guitar in last half is good, nice organ, drums work. Still, a few instruments in there sound more modern than what you're looking for. Leave it all aside and just take it as a song, and I enjoyed it, especially the second half when the guitar kicks in.
love the drums you use in there :-) do those drums come with caustics? cause I kinda really want to get my hands on those drums lol really enjoyed your song by the way :-) keep up the awesome stuff man :-)
Don't change anything.. You didn't really catch the sound of the 1970s.. The style, yes, not exactly, but you'(re not very far..
But what ? Cutting the mid and trebles on the drum ? DO you think we were happy, in the 1970s, to have those "deaf' sounds on drums ?
And about vynil simulator.. I hated those scratches, on records.. Especially during the pianissimi..The musician plaid a low-volume Bb, and all you could hear was a bunch of "crrr scrtch brrr" plus the 50hz of the record player..
What I used to do, was tyo buy the record, and make a copy on cassette.. A good TDK tape, would slightly cutoff the trebles, I admit.. But as I used o make the copy as soon as I had bought the vynil, I avoided most of the scratches, and that was more comfortable to listen..
Back to your tune.. The 1970s psychedelicatessen spirit is here.. But your tune is not a 100% authentic copy of the tunes of that time.. It has your own touch, with some more modern sounds here and there, and a better dynamic.. It's good this way.. You should not change it..
(Btw, have you ever heard a vinyl belonging to a blind man ? I think I no more have the cassette copy of Carlos Santana"s "Illuminations".. The record belonged to a blind man.. Each time he would listen to the record, when he wants to plys the 3rd of the 4th tune of the disc, he would tear it a little more with the needle.. And again and again, cause he would not find the exact beginning of the tune, at once, so he would try again.. I think there were still more music than scratches, but I'm not totally sure..)
Thanks for listening. I appreciate all your comments. Yea I forgot to turn down the drums. The song has some of the vinyl noise, but I think I would rather run it through some vintage vst.
Maybe you can't be old with the modern digital media. But it's OK, just a little experiment. It's how I classify all works caustic from me.
Love me the old Floyd doors ledz sounds.
Drums come from Jason's famous pocket kits.
So my take away is that most if not all of you agree that it sounded pretty good and at the end of the day that is good enough for me.
It reminds me of "Set the controls for the heart of the sun" its a fine track in its own right, and on the whole quite authentic, though yes, ok as others have said, not easy to get everything sounding that old using digital software, good effort though
That's a good "takeaway", Fish. The music, the song is more important than the experiment, and the song is now on my SC likes which accompany me in my night job. It's a good song and I'm enjoying it. By the way, the doubling drum hits in the first :30 are very authentic to the time.
"like when anyone tries to get a guitar sounding right on any synth it always falls a little short." Robfarley says..
I think it true.. Most of the time.. For many reasons.. Because when you don't play your guitar sound, the say a guitarist would play it, what you get is a synthesizer sound.. Because when playing a chord, a guitarist will not trigger the (up to 6) notes at the exactly same millisecond.. Because the way he will make the notes ring or not.. Because, like on a piano, a 3 notes chord is not just the addition of the 3 notes, but those notes interact together, in sympathy or with interferences.. etc etc..
I think that the drum parts of your song, is where you caught the 1970s style, the most.. Your drum sound and playing is really it.. Your use of the rolls and of the crash cymbals, is really convincing..
The organ is convincing too, but I guess that it was not the most difficult instrument to give a 1970s sound and feel, to..
It is really difficult to make a guitar sound like a guitar outside of just playing one. Even if you don't play all the note or if you do play all the notes, you have to add the velocity of the strums. The first couple strings are hit harder then the last strummed. Then there is also the choke or ring. If you are finger picking there are notes that ring longer. Rock rhythms and funk and well most all other rhythms have mutes... whether using the palm of the strumming hand or hand pressing the chords. So in Caustic I use the envelope filters, except the attack. That is what your listening here in the guitar patterns been played.
The synths used are... Subsynth which I tried to see if I could get a rhodes sounds like in Hey You from Pink Floyd. The organ is the organ using the Echoes setting. The lead synth is a pcm I found of a farfisa, I ran it through a modular with a bit of fuzz. Most of the machines use the Cab FX.
Also if you listen closely all the machines reverb and delays are on opposite sides of where they are been played. Heard something like that in a Beatles song (I believe, or was it the Guess Who), where the reverb and delay sounds were heard to me on the other opposite side, I am talking R/L hard panning. I did this by creating two mods one for reverb and one for delay. Then inserting machine inputs and two mixers, plugged in to their corresponding left or right.
Warning (You and I might get lost in this next part):This song is extremely simple, I was afraid it was going to sound too plain. Its based on the E Phrygian scale (EFGABCDE), but using the Em as a improv chord as (Notes E, F and B, so I take the root chord and play I, II and fifth note). Most leads/melodies on the song are mainly those 3 notes. If you hold the Em, F chords and play those 3 (EFB)notes up and down you will get the sound of this song. I did add some other notes, but the main structure was those 3 notes.
Only thing I couldn't find and I switched last minute cause the SF2 had a weird noise sound in some of the notes was a Picked Bass. Which it was used a lot back then.
Wow that was a lot. Hope it helps anyone, any questions I will try to answer to the best of my limited abilities.
@Fish.. Just listening to your tracks on Soundcloud.... They are excellent.. Very good drum parts in general.. Good pitch bent solos in general, too..
Very good guitar solo on Proem 14 .. And also on Space (even if this tune didn't please me).. And even more on Birth.. (this one is powerful)..
Excellent jazzy trumpet on Vapor Trails..
Small up yourself is a nice reggae..
Binary Haïku is hmmmmmm !!!! (except for the repeated bass which is too much present boring after a while.. For me.. And maybe only for me..) (Same for the boom boomboomboom on the excellently floydian solstice..)
Of course I don't love or like all your tracks, (I'm not into D&B or dubstep, for example) but all have much quality, musically and technically..
Truly good work..
(yeh something not right with the drum sounds where Floyd (towards end of the Syd Barret era) would have the tom hits.
Maybe they are a little too clippy on the trebbley end? and need to have a deep pop rather than his (remember Nick Mason's tom roll he did on almost everything around that time? More of a clap/pop/tone)
i REALLY love this, and will enjoy looking forward to any more in this vien?
It really does have that late 60s UFO Club/Floyd sound!
May be worth getting to know Megadog (now manchester based i think?) who as Club Dog, in the early 80s took the mantle from the UFO/Stonehenge brigade, and became Megadog by the 90s (to offer a platform for mordern bands of that time to be full-on live in an environment for folk who hated clubs, or didn't have their own one And a good judge of how, whatever style an act was on the surface, Psychedelic they really were live if they got an all-nighter date with Megadog. The Orb, Ozric tentacles, Steve Hillage/gong/System 7. Many of their croud/crew would get what you seem to be aiming at here)
It's really good all round
I'd love Barret era Floyd folk to join ijn with my Technoid adventures sometime...
Wow. Awesome track. Sounds a lot like early Pink Floyd. Not that i feel qualified at all to make a suggestion, but maybe if you cut a little off the mid and treble on the drums or even lower the volume on them a little it would sound more authentic? Otherwise it sounds perfect to me.
Hi Fish,
You succeeded because I listened on SoundCloud without reading any tags or reading this post and my SC comment described it as a nice, retro, rock feel. Distorted guitar in last half is good, nice organ, drums work. Still, a few instruments in there sound more modern than what you're looking for. Leave it all aside and just take it as a song, and I enjoyed it, especially the second half when the guitar kicks in.
JHS
https://soundcloud.com/jhsound-2
Put the vinyl simulator on the master effect!
Its good, but like when anyone tries to get a guitar sounding right on any synth it always falls a little short.
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love the drums you use in there :-) do those drums come with caustics? cause I kinda really want to get my hands on those drums lol really enjoyed your song by the way :-) keep up the awesome stuff man :-)
~Stay Awesome!
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Don't change anything.. You didn't really catch the sound of the 1970s.. The style, yes, not exactly, but you'(re not very far..
But what ? Cutting the mid and trebles on the drum ? DO you think we were happy, in the 1970s, to have those "deaf' sounds on drums ?
And about vynil simulator.. I hated those scratches, on records.. Especially during the pianissimi..The musician plaid a low-volume Bb, and all you could hear was a bunch of "crrr scrtch brrr" plus the 50hz of the record player..
What I used to do, was tyo buy the record, and make a copy on cassette.. A good TDK tape, would slightly cutoff the trebles, I admit.. But as I used o make the copy as soon as I had bought the vynil, I avoided most of the scratches, and that was more comfortable to listen..
Back to your tune.. The 1970s psychedelicatessen spirit is here.. But your tune is not a 100% authentic copy of the tunes of that time.. It has your own touch, with some more modern sounds here and there, and a better dynamic.. It's good this way.. You should not change it..
(Btw, have you ever heard a vinyl belonging to a blind man ? I think I no more have the cassette copy of Carlos Santana"s "Illuminations".. The record belonged to a blind man.. Each time he would listen to the record, when he wants to plys the 3rd of the 4th tune of the disc, he would tear it a little more with the needle.. And again and again, cause he would not find the exact beginning of the tune, at once, so he would try again.. I think there were still more music than scratches, but I'm not totally sure..)
Thanks for listening. I appreciate all your comments. Yea I forgot to turn down the drums. The song has some of the vinyl noise, but I think I would rather run it through some vintage vst.
Maybe you can't be old with the modern digital media. But it's OK, just a little experiment. It's how I classify all works caustic from me.
Love me the old Floyd doors ledz sounds.
Drums come from Jason's famous pocket kits.
So my take away is that most if not all of you agree that it sounded pretty good and at the end of the day that is good enough for me.
@Fish Thank you Fish! I am going to enjoy those drums a whole lot
and yes! it sounded good my man, so keep up the good work!
stay awesome man!
~Stay Awesome!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ELahJS1VtI
~Dane
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It reminds me of "Set the controls for the heart of the sun" its a fine track in its own right, and on the whole quite authentic, though yes, ok as others have said, not easy to get everything sounding that old using digital software, good effort though
https://soundcloud.com/wellsley-1
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That's a good "takeaway", Fish. The music, the song is more important than the experiment, and the song is now on my SC likes which accompany me in my night job. It's a good song and I'm enjoying it. By the way, the doubling drum hits in the first :30 are very authentic to the time.
JHS
https://soundcloud.com/jhsound-2
I like where it's going. Keep it up!
"like when anyone tries to get a guitar sounding right on any synth it always falls a little short." Robfarley says..
I think it true.. Most of the time.. For many reasons.. Because when you don't play your guitar sound, the say a guitarist would play it, what you get is a synthesizer sound.. Because when playing a chord, a guitarist will not trigger the (up to 6) notes at the exactly same millisecond.. Because the way he will make the notes ring or not.. Because, like on a piano, a 3 notes chord is not just the addition of the 3 notes, but those notes interact together, in sympathy or with interferences.. etc etc..
I think that the drum parts of your song, is where you caught the 1970s style, the most.. Your drum sound and playing is really it.. Your use of the rolls and of the crash cymbals, is really convincing..
The organ is convincing too, but I guess that it was not the most difficult instrument to give a 1970s sound and feel, to..
It is really difficult to make a guitar sound like a guitar outside of just playing one. Even if you don't play all the note or if you do play all the notes, you have to add the velocity of the strums. The first couple strings are hit harder then the last strummed. Then there is also the choke or ring. If you are finger picking there are notes that ring longer. Rock rhythms and funk and well most all other rhythms have mutes... whether using the palm of the strumming hand or hand pressing the chords. So in Caustic I use the envelope filters, except the attack. That is what your listening here in the guitar patterns been played.
The synths used are... Subsynth which I tried to see if I could get a rhodes sounds like in Hey You from Pink Floyd. The organ is the organ using the Echoes setting. The lead synth is a pcm I found of a farfisa, I ran it through a modular with a bit of fuzz. Most of the machines use the Cab FX.
Also if you listen closely all the machines reverb and delays are on opposite sides of where they are been played. Heard something like that in a Beatles song (I believe, or was it the Guess Who), where the reverb and delay sounds were heard to me on the other opposite side, I am talking R/L hard panning. I did this by creating two mods one for reverb and one for delay. Then inserting machine inputs and two mixers, plugged in to their corresponding left or right.
Warning (You and I might get lost in this next part):This song is extremely simple, I was afraid it was going to sound too plain. Its based on the E Phrygian scale (EFGABCDE), but using the Em as a improv chord as (Notes E, F and B, so I take the root chord and play I, II and fifth note). Most leads/melodies on the song are mainly those 3 notes. If you hold the Em, F chords and play those 3 (EFB)notes up and down you will get the sound of this song. I did add some other notes, but the main structure was those 3 notes.
Only thing I couldn't find and I switched last minute cause the SF2 had a weird noise sound in some of the notes was a Picked Bass. Which it was used a lot back then.
Wow that was a lot. Hope it helps anyone, any questions I will try to answer to the best of my limited abilities.
Thanks for reading so far.
Fish!
Excellent job on this man, simply marvelous.
Thanks Jason... I have you to thank. Your drums and tech help has helped me a lot.
@Fish.. Just listening to your tracks on Soundcloud.... They are excellent.. Very good drum parts in general.. Good pitch bent solos in general, too..
Very good guitar solo on Proem 14 .. And also on Space (even if this tune didn't please me).. And even more on Birth.. (this one is powerful)..
Excellent jazzy trumpet on Vapor Trails..
Small up yourself is a nice reggae..
Binary Haïku is hmmmmmm !!!! (except for the repeated bass which is too much present boring after a while.. For me.. And maybe only for me..) (Same for the boom boomboomboom on the excellently floydian solstice..)
Of course I don't love or like all your tracks, (I'm not into D&B or dubstep, for example) but all have much quality, musically and technically..
Truly good work..
I dig this! Good work.
It does not sound very 70ies-ish but it doesnt have to. Its a great style and espeacially the drumwork is convincing.
Which preset Do you Use?
Sounds like a videogame's menu music. Good work!
(yeh something not right with the drum sounds where Floyd (towards end of the Syd Barret era) would have the tom hits.
Maybe they are a little too clippy on the trebbley end? and need to have a deep pop rather than his (remember Nick Mason's tom roll he did on almost everything around that time? More of a clap/pop/tone)
i REALLY love this, and will enjoy looking forward to any more in this vien?
It really does have that late 60s UFO Club/Floyd sound!
May be worth getting to know Megadog (now manchester based i think?) who as Club Dog, in the early 80s took the mantle from the UFO/Stonehenge brigade, and became Megadog by the 90s (to offer a platform for mordern bands of that time to be full-on live in an environment for folk who hated clubs, or didn't have their own one And a good judge of how, whatever style an act was on the surface, Psychedelic they really were live if they got an all-nighter date with Megadog. The Orb, Ozric tentacles, Steve Hillage/gong/System 7. Many of their croud/crew would get what you seem to be aiming at here)
It's really good all round
I'd love Barret era Floyd folk to join ijn with my Technoid adventures sometime...