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Rage - by mniip

Hi everyone,

I was given a request to make an aggressive song for a friend to possibly feature in RageGamingVideos (a YouTube channel) so I made this! :D

you can grab the .caustic file here if you are interested:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/au1osb2bcsikj78/RAGE.caustic

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You love those filter sweeps.

You love those filter sweeps.

I'll tell you what, nice transition with the pads. This is great work. Not much of a fan of dub step but you make it sound the way it was supposed to sound.

I can't imagine what you will do with caustic if Rej gives you more machines to play with and then the modular on top.

Mike

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Cheers! and yes, I understand

Cheers! and yes, I understand dubstep is probably the most skeptic genre in general, but I enjoy to make a range of styles :)

Can't wait to see the modular in caustic! :D

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Its funny, back in the 90's I

Its funny, back in the 90's I loved wobble bass and cutoff modulation.

... Now they call it dub step. The unfortunate bad rap of dub step is the compressor and blatant misuse of every frequency range, it doesn't allow your ear to rest, which you could say is the same for some genres of metal. smiley

I love most all music styles if there is art found in it, dub step hit pop culture and anything pop gets abused and misused.

Mike

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Yeah, I agree. Most dubstep I

Yeah, I agree. Most dubstep I have heard is basically just a "blender" sound with some filters and drums. It's quite subjective, but I think that to make a "good" dubstep is actually quite hard. I did try to integrate some uplifting melody lines to add contrast, which sounds alright and makes it more interesting to listen too. But yes, you are right :)

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Dubstep has become a

Dubstep has become a completely degraded term, imo. Little connection to it's early roots as a skeletal, spooked offshoot of UK Garage. 

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ahh well, call it what you

ahh well, call it what you wish :D

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Listen to the debut album by

Listen to the debut album by Burial, this is what dubstep started as. It's now closer to a new form of rave. I'm not saying music shouldn't change - it should always evolve and that's awesome. Witch house is probably closer to early dubstep. But at the end of the day there are great tunes, average ones and awful ones and they can be from any genre. It's too easy to become purist and snobby, as I well know cheeky

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but....

but....

The reason there are genres is because patterns and mastering techniques are used to form a particular pattern.

I am saying dub step uses 3 variables and pounds them into the ground dead.

Your example is purist because most people from the newer generation doesn't know they exist. Or where the roots come from. I am critiquing what people call dub step.

This is like saying rock music came from the blues in the 30's. What teenager listens to original blues to even make that connection? :)

Mike

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But the tune is lush. A

But the tune is lush. A really full sound. Very slick and amazing what you've done with 6 racks. The only thing I'd say is that drums probably need more oomph. The filters are pretty brutal at times, really intense peaks. 

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BTW this conversation about

BTW this conversation about dub step dosn't diminish how awsome this track sounds whatever genre you want to call it. :)

Mike

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Dubstep

I agree with your critique of what it's evolved into and also that I'm an old fart that can be pretty purist, at least from a genre perspective. Given that genres, especially in electronica fragment and change their names almost daily it's kinda surprising that dubstep is actually called dubstep today. Although it's a cool name for a genre smiley

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Honestly, I think its just

Honestly, I think its just faddy and a way to abuse a sampler. From what I have seen, these people arn't even knob tweakers, they are just hitting quantized samples that have LFO in them. :)

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Nice dubsteppy type approach

Nice dubsteppy type approach you did there with Caustic too!  Nice!  I still need to finish on my Builderz DDDubstep pack, that will really be useful for soemthing like you did here.   

Well done.

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And then Jason arrives, skips

And then Jason arrives, skips the controversial part of the convo and is just nice cheeky

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There is no controversy? :)

There is no controversy? :) We were just having a conversation.

Jason just dosn't have to for gossip I guess. Thanks Jason, you make me second guess my forum comments. :)

Mike

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I enjoy chatting about music,

I enjoy chatting about music, what I like and why I like it. Conversely, I have some pretty strong opinions about what I dislike and why. Even awful stuff has a purpose, it makes the awesome stuff sound even better ;)

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I think that is why dark

I think that is why dark exists, to make light even brighter. Nah, we both know music is subjective to culture, age, frame of mind, etc, that is why I love music and its power. But all power can be misused, and if I was to speak for you I would bet this is what you are getting at.

Mike

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Great work as usual mniip! I

Great work as usual mniip! I am a fan of 'modern' dubstep / electronic (Knife Party / Scrillex etc.)  and you've pulled it off well.

Although this genre often sounds quite simple, whenever I try to create music in this style it sounds useless and I'm forced to return to '4 on the floor' which I'm used to composing with! 

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Interesting conversation, it

Interesting conversation, it's nice to see what everyone thinks aboout the subject. I guess I didn't really know much better, I just associated this sort of style with the name. I didn't really have much idea on it's roots. But thanks, I guess you learn something new every day

And thanks for the positive feedback!

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Hahaha, whaddid I do?  LOL  

Hahaha, whaddid I do?  LOL   FWIW, I'm not a real big fan of DubStep, or any 4-to-the-floor groove for the most part.... However I do understand it and structure and history, and sometimes even make a track of such myself...

And I will comment and praise those who make tracks of such genre and do a good job at it.  I try to keep an open mind and reach out to everybody that has found their unique sound with the Caustic App, and we have quite a variety of talent here.  

It's all good.  yescool

 

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+1. I agree that you can

+1. I agree that you can still tell when someone's done a good job and has talent even if its not the style you'd create/buy/listen to usually. It's like paintings/sculpture etc.

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Hmm, I don’t know much of

Hmm, I don’t know much of modern dubstep but in my ears this is close to metal. I thinking of Goth metal, the kind that Evanescence (and like) play. Anyway it's a good song with nice sounds, a little heavy sidechain pumping for my taste but otherwise… Good one Mniipyes

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Mmmm... this just sounds

Mmmm... this just sounds incredible. I don't know how you do it but I'm looking forward to having a peep at the file - should be educational. If you hadn't posted the file I'd have trouble believing it was just done on Caustic (and thats no disrespect to this awe inspiring piece of software).

The standard and Show & Tell offerings has been great lately. I can't wait to see what folks come up with once we get a few more machines/tracks in a future update.

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I love this sound 

I love this sound yes

Could you explain how you can alternate the pan of the Lead track (your 3rd track) without working with the pan of the mixer ?

Thx

My songs >> https://soundcloud.com/zicman/ << sgnos yM

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Isn't it just the stereo

Isn't it just the stereo delay bouncing left and right?

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Ha yep, i used to play with

Ha yep, i used to play with delay but i had never tried the option in the right corner. i still discover caustic ;) , Thx Rej

My songs >> https://soundcloud.com/zicman/ << sgnos yM