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Hypnotic, vocodered techno 'Electronic Soup' - give it a listen!

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Yet another old stem that I've given a quick polish and a new lease of life. I don't think there's a single track I've finished in the last 6 months that wasn't born from a stem that was already at least 6 months old - an odd way to work but it seems to be working okay-ish laugh

I posted a version in Tips and Tricks a few weeks ago and this is just a spruced up, arranged and extened version.

Beatbox to Vocoder and Vocoder using a PCM Synth with a string patch as the carrier in place of the internal oscilators. 

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Oh and it uses one of my

Oh and it uses one of my favourite Modular patches, pitched down an octave or two to normal.

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It's really nice track.

It's really nice track. Really good job mate. I have also mess around the master set trying to give more life to the Melodys because somehow they went out of tune.

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Here is also a file with the

Here is also a file with the exported data on it. It's exported in 32 bits, then decoded with converter. I think it's ready for mastering.

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Very nice... downloaded it...

Very nice... downloaded it.... if I feel the urge I might give it a poke with a stick or something... see what happens...

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Sure, it's your mix. I wanted

I wanted to put 808 kick but I decided to mess around with Dynamics and the reverb.

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Amel - thanks. Looking

Amel - thanks. Looking forward to listen to it smiley

There was a point where I switched the melodies and the basslines around to try and create some tension - maybe it worked too well and the reason for the tension is because it's out of tune!

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I noticed, maybe I make a

I noticed, maybe I make a remix of this, I really like the concept of vocoded techno. It's like working with a voice of the app. I wishif you could tell me about the master set I used. As you noticed I inserted another modular and used it as a carrier of the whole mix. What do you think about this idea of mastering. I noticed that in some cases audio clips, when you export it, in another cases it works perfectly, it's like volume is tuning it self according to the rules of the app. So tell me what you hear, and what is the difference in loudness, it would help a lot.

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Poked it with a stick ...

Poked it with a stick ...

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@Rob - I was going to say,

@Rob - I was going to say, 'ooh tempo drop, interesting'. And then it turned into 180 bpm drum and bass, not 90 bpm dub! I like it, very quiet though!

@Amel - your master EQ settings on the Lo-fi edit are something I wouldn't even think of. I tend to leave it flat (or tweak the treble up a little) and I've started avoiding using a master channel compressor, and I try to leave the master volume low enough that the Limiter never kicks in, partly because I master in Mastering for Android and just want to export a nice clean .wav file from Caustic. Your mix sounds good though - clips hard if I turn the limiter off but I'm sure you know that!

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Quiet... Ya got a volume knob

Quiet... Ya got a volume knob ain't ya!? I really didn't spend a whole lot of time messing with it, clearly, I left most of it alone! I noticed all your clever automation so thought I'd best leave that as it was rather than trying to reverse engineer your head!

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@Rob, yes, I do. But I'm lazy

@Rob, yes, I do. But I'm lazy and didn't want to reach for it cheeky I'd already assumed the listening position.

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Thanks for the reply, James.

Thanks for the reply, James. With this reply you have helped a lot.

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Now I will explain. I

Now I will explain. I noticed this thread couple months ago where the guy said that he believes that in caustic sound is to virtual to be appreciated in the real production studio.
So I decided to check that by my self and I figured out that caustic is not what caused this problems, but the settings on the Android device itself. So I went in the developer options and set the secondary screen resolution wide as possible. And guess what, the room in the app has changed. The reverb became more wide, and pan effect became changed in parameters. This was interesting point for me because somehow the number of pixels in secondary screen affected the loudness of the whole device.
So my hipotesis is that secondary screen resolution has something to do with audio on Android.
My secondary display is set on 438px. I don't know if all devices will work this way. I don't know if I am right or wrong but try and see can this work for you.
Turn of screen rotation on the display. Then go in to the developer options and set the secondary display resolution on 421 or more.
Then enter in the caustic and start testing the reverb behavior. If you notice any changes, it works, if you you get nothing then this the modification that works only on this device.

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Psychologically using Caustic

Psychologically using Caustic on a bigger screen / device is definitely liberating and when Android added expanded desktop I really noticed the difference.

So I can see how having a bigger screen gives you a sense of greater freedom and space when making music with Caustic but I genuinely can't see any reason why changing screen resolution would have an impact on the sound engine though.

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> why changing screen

> why changing screen resolution would have an impact on the sound engine though.

CPU/GPU processing load. Less pixel pushing.

Edit: This would only affect buffer underuns, not the actual sound engine, it's floating point!

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Hey James, fun stuff!  I

Hey James, fun stuff!  I downloaded and might mess it up a bit and see what happens.  I'm a sucker for "soup" and love the unintended results of using lots of delay.

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Yes that's true, but in the

Yes that's true, but in the hybrid based systems this works as charm. And Android is this days more of hybrid, than the actual system. That's my perspective of it. Followed by that belief I came up with some stunning ideas like, following geometry to EQ my songs, or I simply compress my song with a Waveform noise from the subsynth don't know a lot about it yet of course since those things are changing within each update, but one thing is certain caustic core is one hell of fun. It would be to bad if people stop appreciate it.

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Here is the example of hybrid

Here is the example of hybrid techno, song is at it's basics. To control compression with the subsynth. Add noise to the oscillator 1, smooth it then. I done this 7 times because I want to control only 7 inputs. Elegant way to get things done before they even done.

P.S. sounds are taken by chopping six songs at the some point. I could chop one song but that would be a remix. There you go guys. This is hybrid production.

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Hi James, I hope this thread

Hi James, I hope this thread hasn't already gotten too old for you to check back and find this. I just had some fun with your soup, adding a few more ingrediments and some seasonings.  Thanks for sharing the file.

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Definitely not - I've grabbed

Definitely not - I've grabbed it!

Will give it a listen later smiley