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Hi all

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Hi all..

Well, not long now and I'll be getting a new laptop, and not long after that, a new DAW, probably Reason......but not before I say a massive thanks to the Caustic devs. I have not produced music for many years, and had no idea if I would enjoy it again, but thanks solely to Caustic, I've realised that I still love it and can't wait to start releasing new material. But it would never have happened without Caustic. I'll explain.... I would never have bought a new home studio set up (something I'm about to do, nothing too much - appropriate laptop, controller/keyboard, new DAW, monitors etc) without Caustic. Being able to have this incredible piece of software for under five quid (I still can't believe the price) gave me the opportunity to see if I was still up for getting back into music production - and it turns out I certainly am!

But I've done a track that I would still like to put out there. There's not a lot I can do with it for copyright reasons (it's a remix of a Talking Heads track) but it would still be cool to say I created a track totally in Caustic. The problem is I can't get a mixdown. When all the tracks are playing together, some, particularly the vocal, are fading in and out, plus other weirdness. I've tried everything, it's not a problem I've ever had before. I haven't read all of this, but is this anything to do with it; http://prorec.com/2013/05/the-pan-law-of-the-land/   ?

I've uploaded the Caustic file, feel free to have a play around and let me know what you think. I have only uploaded the Caustic file, I won't be uploading the track anywhere til I'm happy with it. I finish my tracks off using Mastering - another fantastic piece of software. I've a feeling Caustic just can't deal with so much being thrown at it, as much as I love Caustic!!!

Thanks in advance,, and thanks again Caustic!!

David

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Downloaded... I'll take a

Downloaded... I'll take a look when I get a moment

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Nice work! The main probelm

Nice work! The main problem is about levels. Limiter in the outpout section is pumping as hell, squashing the vocals. You should lower all your tracks, and better start a new mix from scratch, being careful with hot levels, keep some headroom for the mastering. I also think that full left width in the main beat track is not helping for a well centered mix.

Glad for you if Caustic push you to bigger state. But I'm sure that with more gear and soft, you'l still keep Caustic under your thumb.

By the way , french? ( I noticed the "fin" instead of end ;)

A personnal advice for the DAW: you should try Bitwig. (free working trial, you just can' save your work). It's a beast of modular stuff with the brand new Grid coming with the last version!

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Was just about to say the

Was just about to say the same thing, it's smashing into the limiter and also just don't use width!

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> A personnal advice for the

> A personnal advice for the DAW: you should try Bitwig. (free working trial, you just can' save your work). It's a beast of modular stuff with the brand new Grid coming with the last version!

Heh...... ;-)

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Yes Mike, I jumped on the

Yes Mike, I jumped on the board for the v3. The grid is simply amazing, a kind of huge modularsynth. I use Bitwig for live gigs with a foot controller. 

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Hi David, glad to hear you're

Hi David, glad to hear you're putting your studio together as I'm going through a similar process myself. I read your post and had a listen to the track and agree that there's a few shortcomings on the mixdown. I'll also agree with Rob and Skarabee that over application of width (and other effects IMHO) is somewhat detrimental. I've taken the liberty of straightening things up a bit, all done by ear on my phone and through my hifi. I've not changed any instruments, just trimmed off the excesses. Experienced caustic user I'm not - I've only been using it for a year and a half and I've still got plenty to learn, but those who are experienced in production would concur that in many cases the less is more approach brings better results. I've dj'd for over 35 years on and off so tweaking things to achieve a sonic balance is now second nature to me. OIAL is a bit of a classic in these parts and I like the fun twist you put on it. So here you go...

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Hi all...

Hi all...

Firstly, sorry for late reply, I hadn't noticed the notification, er, notifications....And second, many thanks for your replies.

Okay, so, nope, not French Skarabee, - UK, London. Spent childhood in Torquay, Devon, though London for over thirty years.

Now, the mix! The only thing I had kinda guessed already was the 'Width' pots being to high. I think I might have posted the wrong version, because I definitely remember turning them all nearly off/down, but I've just checked the version I'm working on and many are too high - I've obviously lost track of the correct mix. Hold on, back in a sec, gonna lower them....(and I'll get to yours Paul in a mo!)

Okay, so turned width pretty much off on all tracks - and it's definitely improved things, though still not good. It's the vocals (and other parts) in particular that are fading in and out. If I have just the vocals, and say, the rhythm, it's fine. It seems to be the bass tracks that are causing most of the problem as soon as I turn those back on.

This leaves Skarabees suggestion of starting the mix again. The thing is, as you can probably imagine, I've done that a tonne of times! I've a feeling it's just Caustic can't handle so many tracks with so much delay and wotnot going on....but hey, it cost just over a fiver!!

BUT, there is my last option - Paul!! Many thanks Paul for taking time to play around with the track. I'm going to load it up now and come back with a new post.

The truth is, as a MASSIVE Talking Heads fan, with Remain in Light being one of my all time favourite albums, and also one of the first records I ever bought about a year after it was released - I was really dubious about letting it be heard outside my circle of friends. I was half expecting a "how DARE you touch this piece of fantastic music - sacrilege!! Now where's my pitchfork...?" but thankfully no one is trying to burn my front door down yet... I think I've just about got away with it! I think with putting it into a professional DAW, actually having a keyboard to play parts with (this was all done on my little phone) and some guitar it could end up a nice club mix. We'll see....as I said, I'm WELL aware of the holy ground I'm stepping on...LOL!

(BTW, I've actually changed the middle chorus, dropped everything but the vocals and a big hand clap - ya know, the song-along bit - now I am gonna get a pitchfork up my ass!!)

Back soon..
David

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Thanks for taking the time

Thanks for taking the time Paul, and I see what you've done. Indeed, sacrificing other tracks does sort it out - but I'd rather wait to put it into my new DAW in a couple of weeks than drop a bunch of parts. But thanks again.....

I might give it another go, working from your mix....

Have a great Monday everyone
David

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I wasn't going to bother

I wasn't going to bother doing anything with my new monitors until I got my laptop at the end of the month, but thought I'd see if it was possible to plug my phone directly into them - and you can. So what better to test them out - my Talking Heads remix in Caustic of course. Let's see if I can't sort out this problem, and I kinda mostly have. Mostly...! I might pop it Soundcloud, but if anyone wants the MIDI files, feel free to ask. I'll keep you posted...

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Ok, so I've done the mixdown

Ok, so I've done the mixdown in Caustic, and the final master in the Mastering app (great app, highly recommend it) but, I'm sticking to my rule of never, ever doing a final mixdown after a long session with a tune. I don't listen to the tune for at least a couple of days, and then go into the mix. Apparently about noon is the best time, hearing at an optimal or something like that. But for me, definitely best to ignore the track a couple of days, I really can't get a decent mix after hearing it over and over for hours on end.
I'll let you know when it's posted. Thank fuck you must all be thinking, give us some peace for a day or two! Sorry if I've banged on a bit, but after such a long break and realising I still love to create music has got me quite excited....And as I've said, that's thanks to Caustic.
Thanks all...David
BTW, loving my new monitors....PreSonus Eris E5, two of them. I was lucky enough to have a pair of the one and only Yamaha NS10s all through my producing career. I left them in Barcelona though...long story....(this might interest you: https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/yamaha-ns10-story )

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Hi all....

Hi all....

I'm probably talking to meself, but that's fine - first sign of madness and all that...!! cheeky

I've just set up my monitors properly. And they really are excellent, I'm very pleased with them, great sound, and very neutral, perfect for studio work. 

So I was just trying another mixdown of that track, and jeez, no wonder Caustic is struggling.... the rhythm alone has 14 parts. Most are very discrete - I do love my layered rhythm grooves. Bit of delay on some parts, added with a touch of shuffle....And the bass part is three instruments....but clearly it's all a bit much for Caustic on a phone, which is hardly surprising.... What I've been able to produce is still incredible for an app on a phone. 

I'm going to order my new laptop in next day or so. Budget around £700, though it must be from very.co.uk as I have credit with them. That's fine though as they have very competitive prices. Here are the ten laptops that are in the price range, have 8GB and 15" screen... 

https://www.very.co.uk/electricals/laptops/156in/8-gb/e/b/20411,21024,48...

I'll pop my latest attempt at a mix later.....

Have a great weekend everyone... smiley

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I've downloaded your track,

I've downloaded your track, just stripped it back to the vox pcm and going to have a play.

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Ujst an idea: if you have the

Ujst an idea: if you have the bass played from 3 machines with the same notes, you could merge them in a PCM preset, this will save ressources.

Menu>tools>merge track to instrument.