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Fudgetusk
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I want to use fl studio mobile samples as wav files in the pcmsynth but at lower notes it slows down and at higher it speeds up.

I want to use fl studio mobile samples in caustic. For example I used SuperSaw sound "arp woods". I put it to c4 and glided it for 8 bars. Then I saved it as a wav file.
Here's the file: https://leopard.hosting.pecon.us/dl/dajgb/Arp+Woods.wav
I loaded it in the pcmsynth, but it only sounds good at c4. At other notes it plays slower or faster. Am I did something wrong, cause a file that I downloaded from free wave samples sounds good at all notes, and not slow or fast.
Here's an example file: https://freewavesamples.com/1980s-casio-organ-c5

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In Caustic that's just what

In Caustic that's just what happens when using samples with some type of noticeable beat or pulse. It's not something you're doing wrong, it's a limitation of the PCMsynth. Some samplers such as Kontact will re-sample on the fly but not the PCMsynth.

Depending on how important it is to you there may be workarounds, such as manually re-sampling the wav to the pitches you need. I attached a quick and crappy example but I'm limited without having the actual original sample.

However, as far as I know you will never be able to use "glide" in this context as it just glides the previous wav and therefore it will slow down or speed up.

I could explain this in more detail but there's not much point if the end result isn't what you want.

Another workaround would be to create the part you want in FL, export it and then import that into Caustic. Although that's a bit of a cumbersome job, in the end only you can decide if it's worth the effort.

[Edited] So I did manage to kludge together some glides but as always there are compromises.

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the above reply is spot on.

the above reply is spot on.
In this type of sampler/synth it is by spedding the clip up, or slowing it down that the note appears to change.
My only advice, for cheapness and simplicity, although a hassle, BUT satifying once you do it, is use AUDACITY (free for windows, Mac, and Linux, but NOT, so far, Android)

Drop the whole file into audacity, and look along the tabs to the top.

See ''effects''
click on it, and see drop-down menu.

YOu will notice towards the top of the menu ''opotions for changing ''speed'', ''pitch, and 'tempo'.

Set the correct speed you want it to play at in Caustic with Audacities ''Tempo'' effect by clicking on whole track, typing in the speed that it already is, and the speed you need it more acurately to be if it isn't a ''whole number'' (in other words, so it has no decimal point).

THEN export the cip you desire.

repeat this, keeping yiour chosen speed by then using ''PITCH''
And you can then use each of the pitch varied clips, which will ALL be the same TEMPO, but at the desired pitches...

I know, a hassle, but a good learning curve and satuisfying once you have the finished clips done.
Other drawback is you'll need to set up a different PCM slot for each pitched clip!

YOU might use Traktor 2 though and just record the part at different pitchings too with it then export to Caustic samples folder.~
But that'd be possibly more hassly
 

Fudgetusk
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Thank you SToons Music and

Thank you SToons Music and womble dung.

SToons Music
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It's not necessary to use

It's not necessary to use Audacity, it can be performed with Caustic in the wave editor. The wave editor in Caustic will also allow you to change the pitch without affecting the length, or to alter the length without changing the pitch (time stretching/shrinking).

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I have written a detailed

I have written a detailed explanation and tried to post it over a dozen times but there seems to be something wonng with the forum tonight. It was offline for some time and now when I attempt to post the process it just goes in circles, shows the original post but none of the other responses.

Will try again some other time.

mike
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SToons, you can't use SQL

SToons, you can't use SQL statement type stuff (selekt, delet e f rom) etc., that is the way it is for now.

(We never fiddled to fix this on a secuirty level (allowing it all), sql injection)

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Thanks for the reply Mike. I

Thanks for the reply Mike. I know zero about SQL. Is there a way I could send you a text or doc that you could check out so I can figure out what I did wrong and format my responses correctly in the future?

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Yeah just send something to

Yeah just send something to teotigraphixllc at gmail and I can show you what was wrong and how to hack it. :)

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Let's say you have a wav

Let's say you have a wav called "loopC4".

In the PCMsynth you load the sample and set the RootKey, LowKey and HighKey all to C4. A shortcut is to press and hold the RootKey button, then press C4 on the keyboard, then repeat for the Low and High key settings.

Next you press and hold the Level button to invoke the wave editor. Go to the Tools tab and select Pitch/Time f rom the menu on the left. Under the word Pitch turn the semi-tone knob to the pitch you desire, for example B3 (one semi-tone lower). Under the Octave, Semis and Cents knobs it will now show C4 to B3.

You could also just click the minus sign beside the pitch destination which will do the same thing. Click Apply. Now you're back in the wave editor window; select the File tab and choose Save As "loopB3". Click the X in the top right corner, not the Done button to go back to the PCM. Clicking Done would alter the original sample.

If not already selected, press the Sample button and turn the big round knob to the right and the display will show "2: (No Sample)". Press and hold the Sample button. Go to the "caustic/samples/editor folder and load the loopB3 sample just created. Set the RootKey, LowKey and HighKey all to B3.

If you want to repeat the process, use the round knob to select the C4 sample again since it's best to use the original sample as opposed to one that has already been processed.

Repeat the above directions except, for example, now going down 2 semis instead of one (C4 to A#3).

This is how I achieved the results of the previously attached example. Since it's unlikely you would want to use the loop on more than several pitches it really doesn't take very much time to accomplish once you get familiar with the process.

When using the Pitch/Time option it's worth testing whether the RubberBand or SoundTouch algorithm works better. The preview button alone doesn't accurately reflect the results so Apply one, listen, then Undo. Then repeat using the other algorithm. Choose the one that gives you the best result.

It's always recommended to watch the YouTube tutorials. Relating to this thread:

https://youtu.be/SL_UuzcSgrg

go to 2:40 minutes in.

Fudgetusk
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Thanks, I really appreciate

Thanks, I really appreciate your help.

SToons Music
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Thanks for the thanks, good

Thanks for the thanks, good luck going forward and feel free to ask questions anytime.

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Yeh, it's a bit old-school in

Yeh, it's a bit old-school in that regard with how it treats samples, so i tendf to use less recognisable stuff when i need differing notes.

BUT, if i do want i higher note, but pitch/tempo to stay same, i'll pop the track i need to clip from into Native Instruments Traktor 2, and beat match it to what i need (pop a track in at desired speed, and clcik on ''master'' button beside it, and it'll automatically ''sync'' your needed track to it.
You can then hit the record button on it, or on something like Audacity, then chop out the bits you need (audacity is really handy for this as it is very lightwieght, and simple to load and use) and save as wav of course. ALSO, with audacity, in the ''effects'' tab you have choices of whether to change pitch, tempo etc... And it's simple, but i've only ever used the tempo change on it. See what you can do with it if you don't have access to traktor? (other DJ suites tend to change the pitch when you change tempo, so are totally useless for me.

Downside is that if you need lot's of clips of it in different note/key, then it gets very cumbersome. But not much you can do else without expensive gear

That's how i would do it if i need the tempo and pitch to remain the same, BUT the note to change! Nothing worse than needing to shift the note of a sample, and all the beats on it are now too fast or too slow, and voices go all Alvin The Chipmunk, or such.