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womble dung
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AUTO-WAH (also entitled ''1st one to laugh is bumbog monster!")

Eh...I've been into using caustic to compose groove-work most of the time i have been learning digital, software and other digi thing having grown as a teen in the 80's with raw analogue mostly. And i like both..
Eh.. where was i?
SO.. I am used to it.
BUT.. auto-wah?
The only time it does much ever for me, is when i turn speed anywhere between 8 or 10 oclock position. Res down, but not much else really,  so i'm not getting something about to so as to click and start to take advantage of it at all.
So  a basic run through of the why and how to?
Would be really appreciated.
(might actually have a look through this formum and see if there's anything i can do a basic tutorial for, and put something back in to the community apart from generally ignored tune posts, lol! (that's life man!)

But it is just obvious there is somnething under my nose am just not getting here when i try using it so rarely do...
I HATE THAT!
I WANT TO IT ALL AT ONCE...
FULL BUNG!
lol
Thanks in advance!

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Think of it like an

Think of it like an (automatic) wah-wah pedal. Cutoff is how low the filter cuts off (heel position). Depth is how much the filter opens (toe position). Resonance is how much "peak" you get as the pedal is moved. Speed is how quick the filter opens when it senses a note.

Play the example in pattern mode and toggle the effect on and off. Then try adjusting each knob a little. The effect is also very sensitive to the level you input; try raising and lowering the PCM output.

To better simulate an actual wah-wah, you can automate controls. If you go to Song Mode you can see I automated the Depth.

Have fun!

Will post a few other ideas/uses at some point.

Edit: oops, almost forgot - lol.

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Another example. Started with

Another example. Started with this and ended up throwing a few more tracks at it, it's in Show And Tell.

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Autowah is actually

Autowah is actually stretching the AM volume of your sound to create a wah effect. Imagine the compressor that can bend resonance of the AMF(amplitude modulation frequency). The more you use this effect the more you will understand how it works. If you put this effect in the master section and lower it's wet to zero, and then add the limiter with the post turned on 12 a clock, you will create an interesting effect called Artificial Amplitude. This will improve effect of any effect if you upload your project in to a Mastering App.

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No, Amel, just no. It's a

No, Amel, just no. It's a peaking filter that sweeps, controlled by a sensitivity detector.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-wah

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I never said that my comments

I never said that my comments are based on scientific research, only on my experience in art of making music. Don't read those articles because they can damage you artistic viewi of music. And that's where inspiration stops. Your sounds should never be considered like it's based on science, but rather based on a feeling that you want to share trough your music.

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Amel, please allow me to

Amel, please allow me to amend my previous response.

I suppose if one want to get technical and complicate the issue, yes, the amplitude of certain frequencies does modulate as the frequency of the peak of the filter modulates. But this seems like an unnecessary way to complicate things. Like AMF... now I kinda get where you're going with that but it seems like a convoluted way of looking at it. Looking at it now I can see where language is often a barrier to communication. Semantics I guess.

When a guitar note is bent there is both frequency and amplitude modulation. When a drum is struck. When a note is sung. When the wind blows. Pretty much everything but white noise or any static timbre in an anachoic chamber is somehow a combination of AM and or FM. But bringing such subjects into play often just complicates the issue being discussed.

As for using the Auto-wah and limiter to pre-master, here's an example Caustic file. If this file is rendered and placed in the Spectrum analyzer of the wave editor, there appears to be nothing more occurring than a presence boost around 8-9 kHz and a slight roll-off above that, possibly a slight roll-off on the bass as well. It would seem to me that this is really just a subjective matter of taste, I'm not sure how that would make mastering any easier or better unless that's the effect you want. Especially since the mastering slots are limited and one might be better off choosing different effects... again, subjective.

I find the argument that one should not approach music and sound scientifically as well as musically just plain silly. The more one educates themselves in all aspects of musical and audio theory, the more tools we have to express ourselves. That's like suggesting a painter who studies light and colors or the difference between brushes is damaging their creativity. It's nonsense. What we ultimately choose is also personal.

The sheer fact that I went to the trouble of performing an experiment to test your ideas should illustrate an open mind; I didnt disregard your input without testing it out. I have a degree in music and decades of studying, teaching and performing, yet you'd be hard pressed to listen to the 90+ minutes of music I produced in Caustic over the past year or so (on my SoundCloud page) and say I'm somehow impeded artistically by my quest for knowledge. This is not to suggest everyone would like my stuff, or that I'm highly creative, that's subjective and I'm not trying to toot my own horn. And I'm always open to discussion and growth.

As a wise mentor once told me, the great thing about music is there's plenty of room for everybody.

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So how about the collab then?

So how about the collab then? I pretty interested what someone like you can do with caustic.

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Hi Amel, were you referring

Hi Amel, were you referring to me or womble dung?

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I am referring to you Stoons

I am referring to you Stoons Music. Let's see what we can create.

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@Amel I'm open to give at a

@Amel I'm open to give at a try, might be a week or two just because I'm really busy at the moment. As for seeing what I can do with Caustic I'll just point out there are 48 songs of many different styles on my SoundCloud page that were done using it, from funk and EDM to orchestral and metal.

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Ok Stoons. I will post our

Ok Stoons. I will post our collaboration file in collab section after I listen a little bit of your work. You can expect that collaboration file will be there this weekend. The thread will be called a Stoons collab so you will find that post easily.

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