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James
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"Euphorial"

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New test...thing, started life as a test to see if the insert delay syncs when you change BPM from default (they do) but grew into a something.

The title (as usual) is a reference - there was a trance tune from 1992 called 'Mercurial' by Euphoria that had deep, slightly dark orchestral strings running through it. 

It's a much better tune than this one too smiley

New version uploaded with some tweaks - limiter kicks in too agressively now. Will try another version later today.

*new, 'new' version now - hopefully a bit smoother*

Caustic file here should now match version on Soundcloud

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Sweet.... alot of animation

Sweet.... alot of animation here.

 

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A little pattern automation

A little pattern automation and a lot of effects. I think I used 10 racks but one just had the bass drum on it to keep it dry. 

And thanks, I'm getting a little more accomplished but it's still two steps forwards, one step back. 

 

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This is really cool and the

This is really cool and the sounds are all first rate. where did you get those strings? (wow) You don't need to appolgize for anything here as we are all learning, and anyway this track is pretty awesome!

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I wasn't apologising, just

I wasn't apologising, just recognising that learning comes in fits and starts. laugh

The strings are from one of two great packs on Play. One had Ambient in the name, the other had Real or maybe acoustic. The Att needed softening but it's a lovely, rich sound. Here we go smiley

Orchestral and Piano volume 1

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Real Instruments and Ambient volume 1

There's some great pizz strings and violins and violas too. 

Search for Caustic in Play store and you'll eventually find them. They're NOT listed as Caustic content packs.

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You are right.. I 'd never

You are right.. I 'd never seen either of those!!!!!smiley . THANKS

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When you feel the limiter it

When you feel the limiter is "kicking in", listen to the whole song while monitoring it and take the attack down a bit. I have had a lot of luck doing this.

Also, mess with the pre and post in extremes, don't be afraid to make it sound like crap, with those three knobs you will find the balance point.

Mike

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Ha ha, I just turned it off!

Ha ha, my first approach was just to turn it off! blush Didn't sound distorted without it but I did try adding an insert effect limiter on the kickdrum rack.

I think I understand the Att and Release functions of the Limiter - how quickly will the limiter kick in, and how quickly should it stop?

I'm not sure about the pre and post controls - any handy tips or simple explanations? Is a Limiter designed to boost quiet parts as well as smooth out peaks? 

http://audio.tutsplus.com/tutorials/mixing-mastering/a-beginners-introduction-to-limiters/ just found this smiley

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thanks for the link!

thanks for the link!

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The limiter, to me feels a

The limiter, to me feels a bit strange, but Im probably not used to its character as Rej designed it.   However the main purpose of the Master Limiter is to control any occasional clipping on the end chain of your final mix.  A Master compressor is still recommeneded for maximising and other touchups, that I've talked about before.....

But still, sounds good....

 

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Yeah, the limiter can save a

Yeah, the limiter can save a dodgy mix and handle some unexpected peaks (like you get with slow phasers) but it can flatten the dynamics too much if you don't try to smooth them yourself first. 

So a great addition but I guess you should try and avoid having the Limiter kick in too often - if it kicks in all the time you're probably doing something wrong.

For those planning to use Caustic as a live tool I reckon it will save you from blowing a PA though laugh

Even after reading that article yesterday I'm still not 100% on the best use of 'Pre' and 'Post' controls, I know Mike said 'trial and error' but I want to hang some understanding on it too.

I'm guessing that a slow Att (and maybe a slow Release) will help smooth out the peaks in a way that's less obvious to the ears. A fast Attack would emphasise that the Limiter's doing it's job because you'd hear a sudden change in the sound.