A lot of old philosophy papers arent written in a monologue ' this is how it is' format. Theyre written as conversations where a character will say something like 'prove that this notion of the existence of god isnt the imagination of the weak minded' and someone else will reply 'prove that the notion of the nonexistence of god is not also' and ridiculous things like that. i doubt thats actually in any writings but i made it up on the fly as an example of the kind of song this is meant to be. so why pick it apart.
as i was plotting out the notes i didnt really plan on anything except the general emotions behind it but once i started structuring it all i could think of was four people having a conversation about meanings and purposes and they disagree and they argue but theres an underlying tone of something more that they arent seeing. somehow their words are obscuring the truth behind what theyre saying and if they would stop that meaning would reveal itself.
anyway. im a philosophy geek and this is the musical result. a philosophy conversation with guitars. outgeek that.
it was made with the zvon acoustic guitar presets. they were perfect for this song.
enjoy.
or dont. but seriously. can we cut the bs. tell me if you dislike the song. please seriously. i would much rather hear that someone dislikes it because theres guaranteed sincerity when someone says they dislike your music
Sorry to disappoint you but I like this. It got a insecure trembling feel, reminds me of The Cure and maybe Metallica too
Whoa I like it a lot! the different points of view come in and out of focus in the dialogue. Functions as a art piece and maybe something in a movie soundtrack. besides the Cure, one of the voices suggested a Zither (like in the soundtrack to the old post war noir movie The Third Man by Orson Welles) which kind of influenced the emotions i heard in the music. I could also envision each of the parts separated and expanded into 4 whole pieces and this being the introduction. Great work! sorry if you don't like my positive critique
This kind of a haunting spooky feel to it (I guess it's the season for it here isn't it? lol) but this is very nice, I like the variety of sounds and how you arranged it.
Good work.
very cool....there is alot of great potential in this track...but there are a few parts that i think could use a little tweeking...however, the melody is lovely and haunting, and disturbing in areas...definately a dark place....the guitar samples really work together well.
ha. thanks. i dont know anything about the cure but metallica was pretty big when i was a kid so i can see that i guess.
i dont have the slightest clue what youre referring to BUT. i caught the introduction thing and i like that idea. im gonna go with that. ive been messing with it adding notes and removing notes and such. it hadnt really occured to me to expand on it as a whole. thanks for the review. i didnt understand a word of the references but it seemeed positive. : )
thank you. and yeah this being fall and october and whatnot it fits. i think itll work better when winter comes though.
which parts would you tweak. im legitimately interested. cause there are parts that i want to adjust. this is one ill actually be working on a while and any input as to what works and what doesnt is appreciated. i like it regardless because i know why ive got the notes there but if its not coming across to others maybe i can think of better ways to do its.
there are a few spots in there, where i think the note timing is off...i would shift the notes a little to bring them in sync with other parts of the song....
and there are also some dissonant chords that sound good and some that sound not so good...i would tweek the notes to make the offending chords less dissonant....i think less is more in this instance...in my subjective opinion.
these are relatively minor edits that you could make without changing the character of the music much...which would still retain that dark haunting feeling, but make it more coherent.
Lots of atmosphere and character, and I love how the different guitar parts go so well with each other. Seriously, how can I say I dislike it when I really like it? Keep it up :D
thank you. atmosphere is key.
and the whole thing with sayimg you dont like it is that youre more likely to be sincere if you say that you dont like it. people often arent honest about it. but most people arent going to say they dont like it if they do. lots will say they do if they dont
yeah thats one thing ive gotta work on for sure. the trouble is that some of the notes ill have to shift so that the way its played is the same but the pitch is different. because theres such a variety in the way the player actually plucked the strings and how their fingers were on the frets, to change the notes completely changes the sound in a lot of cases. its definitely a long term project.
thank you for clarifying. its something i hadnt caught but knew was there somewhere messing it all up. : )
edit: yeah the note timing is something thats going to need adjusting at a 1/64th level. and i know exactly what you mean thank you. less is more would add a definite level of insecure something isnt right feeling to the notes. it hadnt occured to me at all but its definitely needed.
a lot to do with this one song. ill never finish it. ha
i agree that you want some timing inconsistencies to keep it sounding like a "real player"...
but i also think you can take it to far...there is an unspecified threshold one might cross where it starts to sound like the person playing cant actually play,...when they sound off beat and in the wrong key....so a balence must be struck...i think your pretty close to that balence...
its also true that it may require alot of work shifting notes with the quantize feature off in order to reach that balence...nevertheless, i look forward to the finnished track...im sure it will be great.
whats the quantize feature
in pattern mode, if you tap the note value button, which then gives you the bar at the top of all the note values...this is where you can set the pattern length from 1 to 8 measures long....
on the right you will see a button...that sets the quantize feature on or off...
if on..it quantizes all new notes recorded to the corresponding note value, and if you shift notes in the pattern they snap to the selected note value...
if off...you can record notes without any timing correction, and you can shift the notes without the notes snapping to the selected note value in any direction in smooth increments for instance you can move a note to play slightly off the 1/64th note value...or wherever.
this lets you shift notes slightly to get that natural feel....its probably best to quantize everything first,.. then go back after and switch quantize to off...and shift only some of the notes and leave others to play at the quantized value...i think this offers alot of control and lets you make detailed changes to notes without affecting the whole feel of the pattern.
Wow, now you're talking about guitar theory and physical modelling..... that is a big challenge.... and I will attempt to do some of that here, see if I can actually create a few playable acoustic instruments... Plucked string instruments will be a big challenge for sure, but some things can be done to make it good enough to fool most people.... "wow, you did that on your phone?" yup.... Caustic 3 is capable of sooooo many new ways of creating sound, I don't think we;ve begun to realize its potential that Rej has given us...
that is so cool thank you. i once moved a note in rc 1 and couldnt figure out why it wasnt allowing it anymore i thought it was a fixed bug. that make things so much better.
the funny thing is that quantize was on. i just didnt know it so ive been shifting notes at the 64 th level instead. ha. thank you
agreed.and id love to hear more eip real sounding instruments
that is so cool thank you. i once moved a note in rc 1 and couldnt figure out why it wasnt allowing it anymore i thought it was a fixed bug. that make things so much better.
the funny thing is that quantize was on. i just didnt know it so ive been shifting notes at the 64 th level instead. ha. thank you
I love this sounds, really. I'm a big fan of Thee More Shallows, Dead can Dance, Shores, etc. and the idea is awesome you just need to polish the tempo and some notes. The specific parts I'm refereing to is 1:32 - 2:10, other than that it sounds great, try to add a little background atmosphere to give it more depth. You have a soundcloud account?
Best,
David.