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A quickie but a goodie....CausticLive test track

submitted to Mr. Schmalle for preliminary testing of the upcoming at an unspecified time CausticLive App..... Refer to the Sticky in the Off-Topic Forum for details regarding the new app....
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FWIW, LoopStack was involved in the creation of this track.
Enjoy!

Note: a few presets from my Bass&Leadz and Noiz packs used in this piece.
J

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AWESOME !!!

AWESOME !!!

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Excellent!

Excellent!

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Heh, wow man I just listened

Heh, wow man I just listened to this with the caustic file in Caustic windows just to get a flavor. Yes, that made me grin.

Then I copied that bad boy to the Xoom for a little offroad testing, this song was exactly what I needed to get a good feel for the app. Thanks Jason, and thank you for putting time into this, your name will be at the top of the credits for sure.

It kindof sucks that you don't have a tablet since the only layout I have of this app at them moment would maybe fit on a 7", I have to test is on my sons nook color.

Well, I have been head down programing, I'm still working on the framework so there is really no version to show the world yet. Although I might get a youtube video or something now that I have a song that actually has the words Caustic Live in it. ;-)

BTW, who did you get to do that little rap?

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Im scoping out tablets, as I

Im scoping out tablets, as I have been considering getting one, been eyeing 7inch Samsungs, seems to be perfect size for thumbtyping, compactness, price, ruggedness, power, and build quality.... i may be in possesion of one within the next month... probably aroubd the time you may have a tester beta thing out.

The vocal on the track? Im embarresed to say, i dont sing and not into rap, did alot of tricks and processing to make it sound like it does in the track ;)

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Great,

Great,

I have to say there is nothing to be embarrassed about, the track is remixable for sure! I sat for 10 minutes remixing.

What is the first phrase of the lyric? Throwin down a new vibe? :)

I have to say you definitly one the prize for the demo song. Keep messing with it if you want. I have another request when time warrants it.

I'm keeping this pretty simple on the "remix" end for the first version which will allow me to experiment with loading other .caustic files and saving them to templates. This way during a performance new machines can be loaded out of virtual song templates.

So... I would love to experiment with our to beloved genres it seems, you like DNB and I like trance. If you could come up with a trance version that uses the same keys and stuff, I would love to use that in the templating tests.

Otherwise, if you don't have the time, I'm going to do it. For the first release I want to show people that the app not only remixes a single caustic song file but, will also mix multiple songs together at the same time. There will be some setup involved with this procedure as I can't have two songs loaded in memory at the same time. (Actually, thinking about this I might be able to if I use multiple cores one main and a temporary, anyway). :)

Mike

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When.u release a beta for us

When.u release a beta for us to test..... if you will let us try a windows.version, that would be cool too...

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Hmm,

Hmm,

There will never be a windows version since that is how Rej tests his app. There is no way for me to make a windows version, this is strictly Android. The only way I could possibly make a windows version in the future is if I wrote a bridge framework that used Java and I figured out how to load dlls in Java.

Sorry.

PS I have asked Rej about this and we have talked about it but, it would be in the way off future if ever.

Mike

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Understood. Perhaps ill

Understood. Perhaps ill have decided to buy a tab by then :)

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BTW, since you have put so

BTW, since you have put so much effort into this project already, I might decide to go blind and try and create a layout based on a 4" screen.

The way I program makes no difference as to screen size, I just need different layouts. It's just that I don't have a 4" screen to test, so I would strictly be making something off of Android's dev design view.

When I get the app more stable, I will try and make an apk for you with the 4" in mode. The push to do this might actually be a blessing in disguise as you can test it, then we would have a tablet and smart phone design.

Mike

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Thats all good, take your

Thats all good, take your time on that, i can wait till you get bigger buggies worked out. I use my stylus and makes manipulating small targets super easy and more presice...

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I can do a trance type

I can do a trance type version, no prob...... need a few days to pull out a backburner drumkit project to introduce and also figure out how to automodulate filter without recording it as CL will go in denial and erase it anyway as u say....... you want it the same type sing as the one i sent you or something different completely? Its ok either way you want it

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Hum i try to understand, we

Hum i try to understand, we make the song with Caustic and we work on it with caustic live ? Is it possible to show your original song in order to listen the work you have done with CausticLive ? A date of release ? :p

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awesome track...well done!...

awesome track...well done!......look forward to CL coming out....

My name is quokka on soundcloud: 

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Well to clarify a bit, this

Well to clarify a bit, this track is my original comp for TGMike to test in his test-platform edition of CausticLive.... I'm curious myself of what his "live" remix of my track sounds like, but I guess time will tell. I already have my wheels spinning on support products and templates and goodies for this app I haven't even touched yet! crazy huh. When I get my hands on this, I'm gonna let my oldest daughter age 7 (who is a genious at Caustic's UI) try it out and see how easy (again) it is to operate the soon-coming CL.

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Yeah, what jblann said... I

Yeah, what jblann said... I did the typical announce something and get some ideas to see what others might like.

Caustic live's first function is to be a live performance tool. IE plug your device into headphones, stereo, mixer, sound recorder and recorded/play a performance live mixing patterns and mixer/machine parameters.

The second function is to allow users to create the foundation patterns and loops in C2's pattern editors and then bring those patterns into CL and sequence them "live" and saving that live sequence back to a C2 file to then master in C2 with automation etc.

After this, I am not saying since just having those two features makes this app really fun. :)

Mike

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Mike, still waiting on your

Mike, still waiting on your reply (so I finished up PocketKit Punch! for release and almost finished Noiz pack)..... you wanted a trancy version track? Ok, I used up six C2 machines already-- but I thought I read somewhere in the thread about ability to mix 2 C2 songs together..... Lemme know, or if I need to go into my track and add samples to existing machines to mix 2 song (genre types rather) together with the 6 machine limit of C2.
Thx. J

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Your apps seems to be

Your apps seems to be excellent. But is it possible to change Tune and make loops from pattern .....
For example i have exported a part of my song in Wave, and import it as a track in Cautic to make this :

And after i must export it a new time in wave and work with audacity to cut/past this part into my song ... it's not easy.

CausticLive will allow that ?

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> CausticLive will allow that

> CausticLive will allow that ?

Yes, this is part of the "I am not saying what's next part". Before the release of v1.0 you will be able to create a live sequence of pre-existing patterns that are loaded into CL. When you create that new pattern set sequence, there will be an option to export it to a wave and load it back into a PCMSynth that would be marked sampler or something. For this to work, you will need to dedicate 1 machine as a PCMSynth so the app can load the wave back into the machine as a pattern.

@jblann

The way I see it simply at first is to have 2 caustic files that have patterns and machines. Say the "same" song different patterns for the genre. Thee will be a pre-loading step that will load song files as templates and save them to a file that can be loaded by CL. Then at performance time, you will select these 2 template files for preloaded patterns.

When you start mixing, all the patterns in the 2 templates are available for remix. I still haven't figured out how the machines will be setup. I think for the beta the machines will need to be of the same type IE SubSYnth, PCMSynth etc. Either way I have already done tests in my groovebox app that can change all parameters of the rack instantly when a measure changes and it sounds good.

Anyway, use the same machine setup for the two songs but the patches can be different in the machines IE a different sample set loaded in the PCM. Since you use all PCMSynths, this shouldn't be an issue in the beginning.

Mike

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Soooooooo what you are saying

Soooooooo what you are saying is that I keep the six machines (and thier related patterns) but I can load different presets within the same song? So for example I can load a different drum PCMSynth preset instead of the loopy ones I have in it at the moment, and then create additional patterns to trigger DrumKitB? The Caustic song would have to be renamed as the Caustic 2 song would be technically different.

Is this what you are saying?

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No,

No,

What I'm saying is keep the same 6 machines and their names. Try and use abstract names for the machines so they are like the same "parts". Everything else can be different, patterns, presets, effects etc.

Mike

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"you will need to dedicate 1

"you will need to dedicate 1 machine as a PCMSynth so the app can load the wave back into the machine as a pattern."

i have done that with Caustic so i don't understand the difference between the 2 apps for this exemple ^^
I think the best way to understand is to work with it !! When do you release/open-beta it !! :) i think everybody must ask you ...

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> i have done that with

> i have done that with Caustic so i don't understand the difference between the 2 apps for this exemple ^^

What I am saying is there will be a "resample" action that will do all of the export/import add to machine and make a pattern automajically.

As I said, the problem with giving some day of a beta release is I am still working on the core framework that makes all this happen. I wanted to see some interest and ideas because this actually decided which direction I headed in the implementation of the app (and initial features).

Think of a sampler people, with pads that uses existing patterns you made in C2. Think how hard it is to lay out a sequence when your not entirely sure how the song will play. This is what CL will help with, live performance and live sequencing. Anything after that is purely speculation on which direction the app goes form there.

I am hoping for a alpha release in September, as I have family visiting and kids heading back to school, full plate. But I will get a youtube video up in the next week or two! :)

Mike

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Ok, based on your responses..

Ok, based on your responses... in order to add a trancy genre demo to mix with my first demo, ill add samplesets into existing machines.... keeping drums and perc on the same machine, bass on another and so forth. Then you could mix it back and forth and make something new.

Ok, gimme a few days, ill have an expansion sent to you

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Thx for the information Mike,

Thx for the information Mike, i'm impatient to see your youtube video !!

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Ok Mike, last question before

Ok Mike, last question before I.do this...... do you want the trancy song to be a different caustic song (while maintaining same machine layouts Bass one 1, drums on 5 & 6 etc...) i really want to change the effects setup on a few of the sounds to.achieve the trancedance feel.... lemme know so I can do it right for your test... J

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Just keep the same machine

Just keep the same machine names for now. I'm still working out the details. All I was really asking is to keep the keys around the same note. So if the patterns from each song were mixed together, they wouldn't clash or sound like mud.

Mike

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@Mike track production in

@Mike track production in progress...J