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Advice concerning the signal flow in the modular ( caustic file is for beta 3.1, but this is also valid for actual version without machine input)
How to test it: First play the pattern, and then move your Beatbox after the Modular in the rack view. Notice the "flange" effect, caused by signal flow. This was already noticed with the Vocoder too, Rej explained why. This is not a bug, and can even be used in a creative way, but just an advice: better put your machine before the modular if you need to mix the two channels, to avoid phase problems. And this is not related to beta3.1, as far as I know.
In the modular itself: first play the pattern. then go to modular and connect the first mixer to outpout instead of the fourth. You will notice the same "flange" effect, caused by a small delay between the dry Beatbox channel and the modular channel. If you try with second and third mixer connected to ouptput, the delay will be reduced, and with the fourth mixer, no phase problem at all. So, for perfect channel phase alignment, I suggest to put the final mixer at the bottom right in the modular panel. However, I imagine that other processing in the signal path will affect this behaviour ...
so in summation, when using any of the new bus options, to avoid / create phase offsets/issues, one must pay attention to the actual rack placement, and if im reading right, even module placement, in the modsynths case... or did I misinterpret the whole lot?
Yes, that's it. You can vizualize it with the oscilloscope (see 2nd causticfile). I used a subsynth with square wave as feed source for the modular.
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thank you, i was not aware of this...
http://pquenin.free.fr/pqnaudio
http://www.soundclick.com/thepqueninproject
that is definitely good to know. I assumed that the number of steps a signal chain goes through was the only factor to consider, but apparently not, lol
Interesting observation Skarabee.... I'll investigate that myself, and see what does what based on where components are placed etc..... Could be useful for some effect purposes perhaps.
maybe it's a bit dangerous to base an effect on this behaviour because it can be broken in a future version if Rej make changes in the audio engine...
http://pquenin.free.fr/pqnaudio
http://www.soundclick.com/thepqueninproject
I am so confused. Can someone help me find Rej's explanation in thread form...
¿que onda, pachuco?
I thought this was possible. But had no real clue.
What I don't understand is that since there is no actual signal chain - no real wires or steps - what creates the phase issues?
¿que onda, pachuco?
It's a quirk in the Modular, by placing certrain modules in the top row, seems to create a slight delay in the signal path, and depending on how you route everything, can cause a phase or flange effect, between the Modular and slave synth machines, or within the Modular itself, if you route a signal to the top row of the grid AND the same signal elsewhere, and mix the two before sending to the output.
It's technically not a bug, but it is, but nothing to cry about, so it's apparantly staying as such, and some of us have taken advantage of it to make some effects and other oddities for our sounds our AUX routing for other effects.
Yeah its nothing to bitch about certainly; I RELY on the modular as a routing tool, and I know you do as well. And its never been a problem, because if it occurs, it only takes a couple minutes to reorder the modules. I have yet to use it intentionally, but honestly forgot it existed because I trained myself to always stack towards the bottom right corner of the modular.
My question is born of simple curiosity, which although a killer of felines, has been quite rewarding to primates... Whence the origin of a signal delay when there is no actual distance for a signal to travel? It could be argued there is actually not even a signal...I realize a processor operates in reality and must do things a step at a time, but if one slot works fine then it CAN do it, right? Perhaps it is only explainable to those familiar with the programming itself...
¿que onda, pachuco?
Good observation, thanks.
Lil' tip: if you think of Caustic as one big Modular, the possibilities for sound and music creation are nearly endless.....