Ok, here you go.... EIPSO One-Hour-Peek-Poke.... Hope this helps....
The biggest issue with this track is too many distortion effects on multiple channels, which when mixed together becomes more like pink noise which is a very high floor drowning out the musical content. I tamed down and contoured alpt of that, so the saturation is still there, yet more tasteful. I wish I had more time to work on this but family duty kept me on my toes tonight.
That comment was my fault I thought when I signed up it was going to be a normal song it escalated to something I could have never imagined it's like metal house dubstep trance classical all mixed it was insane I didn't know what to do with it
Not your fault at all dragonborn, you gave It a go and we can't ask any more than that. This thing turned into an absolute monster of a track and I know I would have had the same issues you had.
Jason that is incredible, can't believe you got results like that so quickly.
Dragonborn, let me apologize if I came off rude. I am glad I did not have your job because I would have done a terrible job. I strongly believe that criticism needs to be given, though, not to offend at all, but to help. Kinda like Gordon Ramsay, except I'm not calling your work a pile of shit and then throwing a kitchen at you, but I am challenging you to bring out the best.
@Jason: I say, that's a really well spent hour. I don't think I could have done this much in just an hour, I probably wouldn't have a decent static mix by that time but you even put some automations in there. Good job on this mix Jason. Maybe I should give it a try to if I get some spare time this weekend.
@Dragonborn: Well Mr Dovakin! At least you took the challenge as a man and did what you could instead of just passing it on without any action taken, that was a brave move indeed and I honor you for that.
All in favor of replacing the SoundCloud version with Jason's say 'Aye'
Another thing: it's been said before, but this is a cool community here, where you can throw out what's on your mind, and not be prosecuted for it, but instead offered help. Really cool folks here.
I say let it be. We all knew the rules before we started this thing and we don't change the rules just because things don't end up as we expected. This is like saying Hata's lead sucks lets replace it with something else, not cool I say. Anyone who want to may do there own mix but the official mix should be the one Dragonborn did. If we can't respect each other and the the way we contribute, we might as well lay down this whole Community Jam thingie. Thats my 2 cent's.
I've got to be honest here, I think we should replace it. i totally understand where Pan is coming from in his post above but my feeling is the original mix obscures too much of the main thrust of the song (for me this is Hata's bassline part which is changed in dragonborn's mix). I'll happily go with the majority on this cos I can see both sides, i just think we should make the track itself the most important thing. So my vote is for Jason's mix.
Tell you what.... How about Dragonborn, you take my mix, and polish it up or make any changes that you like or whatever, and post it again. You can have the credit for it as your slot position exists in this challenge. I don't care about the credit for it. I'll leave that for you if you like the idea....
I can't recall what I listened to and I can say it was... mixed UP :P!
No tune...I don't remember a tune. 1 listen only. Metal...Some hectic atmosphere. Mostly atmosphere, but not much tune. Some dub play in the mix. I think I was listening and comparing to the Hardcrap. I can say Hardcrap is good. Hahaha. It's because SG was in the collab of something he doesn't know well and he gave a go. I was working on it... and got things finally sorted to fit the sort of music. The music sounded like Hardcrap. So I feel good to call this Hardcrap. If you feel calling it Hardcrap is not good, well if you act all happy, cool, smooth and confused, then it's nice to have a "genre" that is funny and comfortably random. Well otherwise... forget I said "genre". Ehem... thank you for reading. :D
This is a tough call, because you and CR both have good points. As I have said many times, this is a really friendly community, and opinions here are respected. In the name of constructive criticism, that's gold. However, I also agree that just because one of us doesn't do what is considered a great job on one of the parts of the collaborations, that person's work shouldn't be discounted. I mean, I don't recall Dragonborn being a part of anything else, and this was his first collaboration effort. If my first entry would have gotten the same response, and was yanked and replaced, I probably wouldn't have wanted to hone my skills and participate further. I do have issue with him basically telling us it was a rush job, though. So my vote? Leave it as the original mix, and post remixes that others may want to supply. Honestly, many of us have the files from the other collabs, and I for one have wanted to remix a couple myself. I seem to be more open with my shortcomings than others. On my YouTube channel I've got some failed efforts posted right alongside the others... I say we leave it as is, and I ask Dragonborn to let us know next time he needs more time. Considering Digital Erosion took forever to finish it was kind of a kick in the face that the mix was rushed. I would have been fine if he needed a week or so to get things handled properly.
Eh, I honestly don't like having to adhere to any genre with these. I mean, have you listened to any of the other 4? I don't see it being an easy task to apply a genre label to any of these. I feel SG started this one off in a more assertive manner, but one thing seems to keep happening is that between the 14 warriors, styles are bound to mix, dare I say clash. A couple of these have kicked off in directions I'm not fond of, but also seem to challenge me to find my own way in without having to bend the sound to the point it becomes merely supplemental accompaniment. There are too many involved in one of these collaborations for us not to find a way to stick out. Most bands have less than half the instruments we use, so bending or breaking rules or guidelines becomes vital. Sorry if this doesn't make complete sense... I'm at work and only have a few minutes but wanted to throw a couple pennies at you guys.
That's where the #15 comes into play..... to engineer a mix (with alot of automation of course) to diversify and help individuals stand out at appropriate times in the piece..... it's not an easy task, no doubt
Okay, Jason.... I've listened to your mix about a dozen times, and I've heard so much that I didn't know existed. And a very simple idea was revealed to me... I feel stupid for not realizing this particular mixing technique, but regardless, you have motivated me to give mixing a real shot, with a new perspective. The way you nearly isolate some of our sounds on Digital Erosion is simply amazing. Definitely made this song stand out. So, in short, thank you for sharing your expertise. Again.
I hope to get my "Studio Zone" up and running on my website later this Fall season, to help out with things like this... Anyone can do this, and I will help anyone understand some simple sneaky little tricks, all without the official "professional tech" bibble babble -- you don't need it to make really awesome tracks here.
I will confess, the sneaky trick you shed light on was the way you made certain parts of the song stand out... it never occurred to me to mute or greatly reduce a particular track's volume for a very small duration. So simple! I only considered EQing and effects...
...SO.......
Everyone is allowed one verbal jab at me due to my ignorance now! Except that one guy. He doesn't get two do that two me.
Hello there.
I wanted to ask what are the criteria you guys check when you select someone to take part in one of your jams? I would love to be a part of your jam. Cheers!
(Initial post writer): We're going to do this next Community Jam, let me know if you want in, and where you want to be in the lineup.
(You): I'd like to play, wherever is fine with me.
(Initial post writer): Okay, you're number 5. Welcome aboard.
Seriously though, we don't ask a lot of questions or expect a whole lot of people except for a few things:
Try to pay attention to the collaboration so that when it's your turn, you can get started. (Some folks are eager to join, but forget to monitor the posts for when it's their turn, and then it stalls out, and we have to change things up a bit to get it going again).
When it's your turn, take however long you need ( 3 days has been a nice timeframe in the past) to do a quality job. If three days doesn't work out with where your at in life at the moment, just write a post in the thread saying you need more time, or that you want to switch with somebody. It's no big deal, we can work with it.
Actually..... I'm almost done.... I should have this done and uploaded in about an hour or so tonight....
Ok, here you go.... EIPSO One-Hour-Peek-Poke.... Hope this helps....
The biggest issue with this track is too many distortion effects on multiple channels, which when mixed together becomes more like pink noise which is a very high floor drowning out the musical content. I tamed down and contoured alpt of that, so the saturation is still there, yet more tasteful. I wish I had more time to work on this but family duty kept me on my toes tonight.
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That comment was my fault I thought when I signed up it was going to be a normal song it escalated to something I could have never imagined it's like metal house dubstep trance classical all mixed it was insane I didn't know what to do with it
Not your fault at all dragonborn, you gave It a go and we can't ask any more than that. This thing turned into an absolute monster of a track and I know I would have had the same issues you had.
Jason that is incredible, can't believe you got results like that so quickly.
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Dragonborn, let me apologize if I came off rude. I am glad I did not have your job because I would have done a terrible job. I strongly believe that criticism needs to be given, though, not to offend at all, but to help. Kinda like Gordon Ramsay, except I'm not calling your work a pile of shit and then throwing a kitchen at you, but I am challenging you to bring out the best.
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@Jason: I say, that's a really well spent hour. I don't think I could have done this much in just an hour, I probably wouldn't have a decent static mix by that time but you even put some automations in there. Good job on this mix Jason. Maybe I should give it a try to if I get some spare time this weekend.
@Dragonborn: Well Mr Dovakin! At least you took the challenge as a man and did what you could instead of just passing it on without any action taken, that was a brave move indeed and I honor you for that.
Yeah imagine doing this with a live band with 24+ channels.... It's what I've done for years, and thouroughly enjoy it.
All in favor of replacing the SoundCloud version with Jason's say 'Aye'
Another thing: it's been said before, but this is a cool community here, where you can throw out what's on your mind, and not be prosecuted for it, but instead offered help. Really cool folks here.
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I say let it be. We all knew the rules before we started this thing and we don't change the rules just because things don't end up as we expected. This is like saying Hata's lead sucks lets replace it with something else, not cool I say. Anyone who want to may do there own mix but the official mix should be the one Dragonborn did. If we can't respect each other and the the way we contribute, we might as well lay down this whole Community Jam thingie. Thats my 2 cent's.
Dovakin lol thank you sir lol
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It's all good eituer way it goes.... I just merely answered a call for quick help...
I've got to be honest here, I think we should replace it. i totally understand where Pan is coming from in his post above but my feeling is the original mix obscures too much of the main thrust of the song (for me this is Hata's bassline part which is changed in dragonborn's mix). I'll happily go with the majority on this cos I can see both sides, i just think we should make the track itself the most important thing. So my vote is for Jason's mix.
mindfool
Tell you what.... How about Dragonborn, you take my mix, and polish it up or make any changes that you like or whatever, and post it again. You can have the credit for it as your slot position exists in this challenge. I don't care about the credit for it. I'll leave that for you if you like the idea....
I listeneth to the #5.
I can't recall what I listened to and I can say it was... mixed UP :P!
No tune...I don't remember a tune. 1 listen only. Metal...Some hectic atmosphere. Mostly atmosphere, but not much tune. Some dub play in the mix. I think I was listening and comparing to the Hardcrap. I can say Hardcrap is good. Hahaha. It's because SG was in the collab of something he doesn't know well and he gave a go. I was working on it... and got things finally sorted to fit the sort of music. The music sounded like Hardcrap. So I feel good to call this Hardcrap. If you feel calling it Hardcrap is not good, well if you act all happy, cool, smooth and confused, then it's nice to have a "genre" that is funny and comfortably random. Well otherwise... forget I said "genre". Ehem... thank you for reading. :D
This is a tough call, because you and CR both have good points. As I have said many times, this is a really friendly community, and opinions here are respected. In the name of constructive criticism, that's gold. However, I also agree that just because one of us doesn't do what is considered a great job on one of the parts of the collaborations, that person's work shouldn't be discounted. I mean, I don't recall Dragonborn being a part of anything else, and this was his first collaboration effort. If my first entry would have gotten the same response, and was yanked and replaced, I probably wouldn't have wanted to hone my skills and participate further. I do have issue with him basically telling us it was a rush job, though. So my vote? Leave it as the original mix, and post remixes that others may want to supply. Honestly, many of us have the files from the other collabs, and I for one have wanted to remix a couple myself. I seem to be more open with my shortcomings than others. On my YouTube channel I've got some failed efforts posted right alongside the others... I say we leave it as is, and I ask Dragonborn to let us know next time he needs more time. Considering Digital Erosion took forever to finish it was kind of a kick in the face that the mix was rushed. I would have been fine if he needed a week or so to get things handled properly.
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Eh, I honestly don't like having to adhere to any genre with these. I mean, have you listened to any of the other 4? I don't see it being an easy task to apply a genre label to any of these. I feel SG started this one off in a more assertive manner, but one thing seems to keep happening is that between the 14 warriors, styles are bound to mix, dare I say clash. A couple of these have kicked off in directions I'm not fond of, but also seem to challenge me to find my own way in without having to bend the sound to the point it becomes merely supplemental accompaniment. There are too many involved in one of these collaborations for us not to find a way to stick out. Most bands have less than half the instruments we use, so bending or breaking rules or guidelines becomes vital. Sorry if this doesn't make complete sense... I'm at work and only have a few minutes but wanted to throw a couple pennies at you guys.
VIOLENT NEUROSIS (YouTube) ...https://www.youtube.com/user/ViolentNeurosis
That's where the #15 comes into play..... to engineer a mix (with alot of automation of course) to diversify and help individuals stand out at appropriate times in the piece..... it's not an easy task, no doubt
Okay, finally got around to listening to Jason's work on the final final mix. Incredible! Simply incredible!
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:-)
Exactly why I named my new album "Arcane Designation". I don't have a clue what genre it would be called, nor where it 'fits'.
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Ok, so then can I go ahead and setup round #6?
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Genres , to me, is another way to say "rules" or "guidelines"... Or even " formula". Boo to that.
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Yes.
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Okay. Sorry I couldn't be open minded on this one, and also this behemoth was stretching my CPU lol
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Okay, Jason.... I've listened to your mix about a dozen times, and I've heard so much that I didn't know existed. And a very simple idea was revealed to me... I feel stupid for not realizing this particular mixing technique, but regardless, you have motivated me to give mixing a real shot, with a new perspective. The way you nearly isolate some of our sounds on Digital Erosion is simply amazing. Definitely made this song stand out. So, in short, thank you for sharing your expertise. Again.
VIOLENT NEUROSIS (YouTube) ...https://www.youtube.com/user/ViolentNeurosis
I hope to get my "Studio Zone" up and running on my website later this Fall season, to help out with things like this... Anyone can do this, and I will help anyone understand some simple sneaky little tricks, all without the official "professional tech" bibble babble -- you don't need it to make really awesome tracks here.
I will confess, the sneaky trick you shed light on was the way you made certain parts of the song stand out... it never occurred to me to mute or greatly reduce a particular track's volume for a very small duration. So simple! I only considered EQing and effects...
...SO.......
Everyone is allowed one verbal jab at me due to my ignorance now! Except that one guy. He doesn't get two do that two me.
VIOLENT NEUROSIS (YouTube) ...https://www.youtube.com/user/ViolentNeurosis
wow man, this is very good.
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Hello there.
I wanted to ask what are the criteria you guys check when you select someone to take part in one of your jams? I would love to be a part of your jam. Cheers!
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It's like this:
(Initial post writer): We're going to do this next Community Jam, let me know if you want in, and where you want to be in the lineup.
(You): I'd like to play, wherever is fine with me.
(Initial post writer): Okay, you're number 5. Welcome aboard.
Looking forward to jammin with ya!
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